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Old Feb 27, 2013 | 08:57 AM
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Hey what do know.....we do have one thing in common!!
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Sounds awesome. When will we see some more info on how much power this thing is putting down?
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Old Feb 27, 2013 | 01:12 PM
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Sounds awesome. When will we see some more info on how much power this thing is putting down?
Hopefully it will go on the dyno today.

This is what it made a few months ago with just intake, long tubes, ORX and exhaust:


The last V.2 cam we did on a 2002 Trans-Am picked up 65rwhp. With the added compression of the LS2, the added cubic inches, added head flow of the 243 casting heads and better exhaust lay-out of a Vette I think that we can pick up a solid 60rwhp/20rwtq which would put this vette in the 440rwhp/400rwtq range! Gonna be a hand-ful@3200lbs.!

Here is a new idle clip with the idle set at 850rpm's versus 975rpm's in the first video...which do you guys like better? I personally like the 975rpm idle better and it will be easier to drive that way also, but some like the idle a bit slower.

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Old Feb 27, 2013 | 01:38 PM
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Both idle clips sound pretty nasty!

I know you used different lobes when you designed this cam so it will be less harsh on the valvesprings. How long do you think the valvesprings will last before needing replaced?
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Sounds awesome. When will we see some more info on how much power this thing is putting down?
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Both idle clips sound pretty nasty!

I know you used different lobes when you designed this cam so it will be less harsh on the valvesprings. How long do you think the valvesprings will last before needing replaced?
20-25k. I recommend checking 2-3 springs every 2 oil changes for installed height and seat pressure to ensure the springs aren't losing pressure.
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Old Feb 27, 2013 | 03:31 PM
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FIRST PULL SAE 441rwhp/403rwtq SAE FIRST PULL

Timing-24 degrees
AFR-11.9

I'd say she has some left!!! Cam-only record maybe?
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Old Feb 27, 2013 | 03:47 PM
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Congrats Martin. You're showing the LS1tech crowd through dyno results and track times that your cams flat out work. It's awesome when you, and others, post up their dyno numbers and track times to back up the talk. I can't wait to get my car dyno'd.
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Thank you Nathan, I couldn't do it without my awesome customers! The trust you guys have in me is I will admit scary sometimes, but it really gives me the confidence needed to try these new things and find out the results!



Ignore the #7 run file, we are using the same file from November when we tuned this customers car with bolt-ons.
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
Here is a new idle clip with the idle set at 850rpm's versus 975rpm's in the first video...which do you guys like better? I personally like the 975rpm idle better and it will be easier to drive that way also, but some like the idle a bit slower.
I like the lower RPM sound personally, it gives a harder edge to the chop in the lope. I have my A4 TA with the hotcam idling at 650
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Old Feb 27, 2013 | 05:45 PM
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could you do mail order tunes for those that do not have access to a good tuner ?
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Well guys, we couldn't seem to best our first hp pull numbers which was surprising to us. What was even more surprising is what little we have had to modify in the tune to allow the car to idle, drive and run very nicely. I just got back from a drive in the car and it pulls like a freight train from 4500rpm to 7000rpm. I have some video of us lugging the car around at 35mph in 5th gear at 800-900rpm along with 45-50mph at 1000-1100rpm in 6th. Around 55-60 in 6th gear if you really try to make it surge and jump it will do it slightly, but if you've ever driven a cammed M6 car before, and with a good tuner the drivability is not bad at all. I can tolerate a lot, but I wouldn't mind DD this car at all!

Here is some media for you guys to drool over!

We ended up at 12.6-12.7 AFR at WOT which is where the car liked it best and it has 23-25* from 4000-5000rpm and then ramps to 27* degrees to red line at 7000rpm.


Comparison from November when we tuned this car with bolt ons to after the cam install:


Dyno/Idle Video:
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Old Feb 27, 2013 | 05:56 PM
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could you do mail order tunes for those that do not have access to a good tuner ?
Gary I honestly think the best tuner in the worlds mail order tune is no better than the worst tuner in the worlds dyno/street tune.

I personally think mail order tunes are a waste of time and money. I've seen guys gain ridiculous amounts of power going from a "good" mail-order tune to a decent dyno tune. As in 25-30rwhp on a N/A car and close to double that on a boosted car.
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
Gary I honestly think the best tuner in the worlds mail order tune is no better than the worst tuner in the worlds dyno/street tune.

I personally think mail order tunes are a waste of time and money. I've seen guys gain ridiculous amounts of power going from a "good" mail-order tune to a decent dyno tune. As in 25-30rwhp on a N/A car and close to double that on a boosted car.
I think that mail order tunes have their place. I don't suggest them as a replacement for a dyno tune but I believe that they are useful to get the car up and running so that you can drive it at least and get it to a dyno.
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Well played Martin, well played. The Vette looks smokin in that (Artic?) White. Sounds vicious as hell, and by the looks of the graph, it doesn't just talk the talk. Impressive numbers man! Congrats on a job well done. (again!..lol)
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
Gary I honestly think the best tuner in the worlds mail order tune is no better than the worst tuner in the worlds dyno/street tune.

I personally think mail order tunes are a waste of time and money. I've seen guys gain ridiculous amounts of power going from a "good" mail-order tune to a decent dyno tune. As in 25-30rwhp on a N/A car and close to double that on a boosted car.
I agree, for bolts on's such as LT, Cat-EGR-AIR Delete, Skip shift and so on, a mail order is cool. Anything more, dyno tune is the way to go.

Do it once, do it right!
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Originally Posted by FEAR LS
Well played Martin, well played. The Vette looks smokin in that (Artic?) White. Sounds vicious as hell, and by the looks of the graph, it doesn't just talk the talk. Impressive numbers man! Congrats on a job well done. (again!..lol)
Thanks man! Just wait till after the heads are cnc ported by Phil@AI...I truly believe we can hit 475-480rwhp/425-430rwtq with the stock intake and TB.
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Originally Posted by FEAR LS
Well played Martin, well played. The Vette looks smokin in that (Artic?) White. Sounds vicious as hell, and by the looks of the graph, it doesn't just talk the talk. Impressive numbers man! Congrats on a job well done. (again!..lol)
Cant wait till i can post up my Polluter numbers. haha im so anxious to see how my trq is going to climb to from what it is now.
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I don't think it sounds that nasty. It sounds like it's idling fast and never slows down and gets into the slow deep rump.

Not bashing by any means, power looks good. Just throwing out my .02
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Originally Posted by LilJayV10
I don't think it sounds that nasty. It sounds like it's idling fast and never slows down and gets into the slow deep rump.

Not bashing by any means, power looks good. Just throwing out my .02
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I'm sure they know you're not bashing. I bet you put that bitch in gear, get the engine under a load, and she purrs like a kitten. (IMO it sounds great at idle, I can only imagine what it sounds like taking off from a light)
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Martin that is sick...i like both idles....sounds awesome..great power too
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