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Old 05-01-2013, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 3rdCoastPowerSports
The comp trunion upgrade is awesome. The failures you were reading about were due to install error (i.e. bearing being pressed in crooked and or another install error). Just wanted to clarify that it was INSTALL ERROR/ OPERATOR ERROR that caused the failures. Just make sure that you install the bearings square/true and that it rotates around the trunion smooth as silk and your good to go.
I agree. I rotated each rocker in my hand after assembly and after I installed the snap rings to make sure it rotated nice and smoothly. How someone can install the bearing crooked and still get the trunion in I'm not sure but I see it happening or installing the bearings facing the wrong way or in too far. I just hate it when they blame the product right away without looking at everything closely first.
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Originally Posted by 3rdCoastPowerSports
The comp trunion upgrade is awesome. The failures you were reading about were due to install error (i.e. bearing being pressed in crooked and or another install error). Just wanted to clarify that it was INSTALL ERROR/ OPERATOR ERROR that caused the failures. Just make sure that you install the bearings square/true and that it rotates around the trunion smooth as silk and your good to go.
No those aren't the errors I saw. The errors on CF deal with the trunion wearing prematurely. Perhaps an install error?
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^^ yea looked like the metal was wasting away where the trunion sits on the stand... As is the hardening process wore off
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Originally Posted by 3rdCoastPowerSports
The comp trunion upgrade is awesome. The failures you were reading about were due to install error (i.e. bearing being pressed in crooked and or another install error).

You must be high if you think I installed the ones on my personal car, incorrectly. Two had broken clips, out of 16 trunions, 15 had premature galling/internal wear between the bearing and the shaft.

I've probably done 30-40 sets of these. Junk product suited to 224 cams and low revving low power engines. I wouldn't touch it for anything turning rpms, or pushing real power.
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The issue isn't the c-clips, though they are crappy (the summit ones are much better), but with the heat treat. The bearings simply cant handle the load with their tiny surface area and poor heat treat.
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Originally Posted by C5natie
The comp kit only has the washers. The summit is a complete kit with a knockout tool to remove the trunion and an alignment install tool to install everything. All you need is a bench vise and snap ring pliers to do all the rockers.


1\2" socket on one side and a 7\8" on the other and they
push right out in the vice.

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Originally Posted by DietCoke
You must be high if you think I installed the ones on my personal car, incorrectly. Two had broken clips, out of 16 trunions, 15 had premature galling/internal wear between the bearing and the shaft.

I've probably done 30-40 sets of these. Junk product suited to 224 cams and low revving low power engines. I wouldn't touch it for anything turning rpms, or pushing real power.
What RPMs are you running? What is your open spring pressure?

I saw the pics in that thread I just did a set and left them submerged in
oil for some time before I installed them.
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That particular set saw 7200 regularly and 7400 max, ~425lbs open at max lift.
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I thought the CHE were more like $600 exchange or $800 outright.
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Christ ... if it's not failing OEM valve springs it's failing upgrade parts. So, I just hear about this issue here, and was wondering if anyone can give a short summary on what the root cause is of these Comp Cams trunnion kit failures?
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440/600 or so, actually. I had mine done not too long ago.
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Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Christ ... if it's not failing OEM valve springs it's failing upgrade parts. So, I just hear about this issue here, and was wondering if anyone can give a short summary on what the root cause is of these Comp Cams trunnion kit failures?
Comp told me 'too much spring' and pretty much refused to do anything other then ship the stuff back to me, I told them to throw that **** in the garbage. This was a commonly used off the shelf PRC .675 spring with some shims, too. Sad, really, since their target market is going to be using a spring with that kind of pressure.

They did not offer a replacement.

I'm running CHE rockers and pac 1207x springs now.
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It's $425+ shipping and your stock cores..

But I may have found a place for $395 and you do your own install, I'm waiting on an email for that..
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Originally Posted by DietCoke
Comp told me 'too much spring' and pretty much refused to do anything other then ship the stuff back to me, I told them to throw that **** in the garbage.
Has anyone analyzed the hardness of those trunnions that showed crazy wear on the bearing surface? No matter how much spring you have, just seems to me that a roller needle bearing like that on a super hard trunnion with correct oiling should never wear like that. I'm thinking maybe those trunnions were not heat treated correctly. Did Comp Cams analyze yours ... sound like they had their hands on them. I hate crap like this, could be a manufacturing/QA issue.

Has anyone else shown the same wear on the trunnion? I see circlips have also broke apart. Can't see how, since there shouldn't be hardly any side load on them.
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Yes, several others have had similar trunion wear. There's a wealth of threads if you search 'comp trunion failure'
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To be honest with the hardness issues comp has been having with their cams lately, I'd almost be looking at their heat treater, because the trashed trunions look exactly like their trashed cams do... galling due to insufficient surface hardness.
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Originally Posted by DietCoke
To be honest with the hardness issues comp has been having with their cams lately, I'd almost be looking at their heat treater, because the trashed trunions look exactly like their trashed cams do... galling due to insufficient surface hardness.
That would be my first suspect if looking for a smoking gun for the root cause. If Comp Cams gets these failed trunnions sent in to them, they would be nuts not to do a materials and hardness test on them. Improper lubrication can also be a factor ... could be that the caged bearings don't allow enough oil to penetrate them. It's just a simple oil bath up on the valve train. If the bearings are too closed up, it could be they lack proper lubrication, and of course increased loads due to crazy cams/springs doesn't help if that's the case.
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subbed.......great! just more money to spend. Guess i'll get the tool and attempt this.
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The tool is worth the cost, it really makes the job a breeze, especially if you do more then one set and have a bench vise.


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