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Old 09-17-2013, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
When grinding cams and dealing with cam timing, it does not matter how the nitrous is introduced, only the volume being introduced.

Many do it both ways with no real preference it seems. I have just as many spraying 300+ on carb style plates as I do spraying 300+ via a fogger system plumbed into the intake manifold runners.

Or are you asking more about specific cam timing events for a nitrous cam with a single plane?


Degree the camshaft in on a 106 ICL. It will perform well that way and shouldn't lose any torque over a Fast intake with the cam installed straight up or with the advance it currently has.

IMO it still needs more overlap, but it will still perform well. I like to see at least 22-24 degrees of overlap@.050" for a single plane 346-370 cube set-up.

The OP's camshaft has 25 degrees. A lot of people will tell you that overlap will kill bottom end torque. I prefer to disagree with them and show them combinations such as this one.

Not really, just setting it up n/a but I do have a couple carb plates sitting around and was wondering what most prefer.
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
Do you have a forged bottom end? Or is it a stock short block? You need to verify P to V if you do advance it if you have a stock bottom end.

It should not lose any power down low if you degree it on a 106 ICL when the single plane goes on.

You would make more torque under the curve with the stock intake and IMO should be degreed to a 109 ICL with the LS6 intake.
Arp'd stock bottom end which I have to check ptv anyways!

Guess when the time comes for the vic jr ill rear it down and advance it! Like you said a 109 would probably be better for the ls6 for now I'd hate to do a 106 and leave power on the table while I save for a 4150.
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A little off topic, but what hood for a WS6 will even clear a Victor intake/4150 TB? Is there even an aftermarket option that clears?
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Originally Posted by Rise of the Phoenix
A little off topic, but what hood for a WS6 will even clear a Victor intake/4150 TB? Is there even an aftermarket option that clears?
VFN makes nice hoods. You can get either bolt on or pin on. I'm looking at a 5" WS6 myself, look sexy and have plenty of room for n2o plates/ spacers etc.
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Originally Posted by 1BAD98LS1
VFN makes nice hoods. You can get either bolt on or pin on. I'm looking at a 5" WS6 myself, look sexy and have plenty of room for n2o plates/ spacers etc.
You're positive it will clear? I like the VFN hoods too, but I wasn't sure it would clear a 4150 style TB with a Nitrous plate to boot. Do they make the 5" one in "bolt on"? I thought it was only available in "pin on".
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Originally Posted by Rise of the Phoenix
So Martin, with the right cam that has the correct valve events, are you an advocate for a single plane intake on a stock cube LS1, or do you feel they are better suited for larger cube engines?
With right valve timing events, I feel they will work on the smaller cubic inch stuff just as well.

It has to be scaled accordingly.
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Talked to Martin today about future plans for my setup .... Great info in this thread , just gotta make my mind up on whether to go Super Vic or Mast single plane , definently looking at getting away from the Fast
Do it! You know you want to!
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Not really, just setting it up n/a but I do have a couple carb plates sitting around and was wondering what most prefer.
Gotcha.
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Originally Posted by Rise of the Phoenix
You're positive it will clear? I like the VFN hoods too, but I wasn't sure it would clear a 4150 style TB with a Nitrous plate to boot. Do they make the 5" one in "bolt on"? I thought it was only available in "pin on".
With a 5" clearance won't be an issue as far as whether the 5" is available as bolt in I'm not sure, I know the 4" can be both though...
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Originally Posted by 1BAD98LS1
With a 5" clearance won't be an issue as far as whether the 5" is available as bolt in I'm not sure, I know the 4" can be both though...
I'll have to look, but I think the 5" only comes in a pin on.
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Originally Posted by Rise of the Phoenix
I'll have to look, but I think the 5" only comes in a pin on.
I think I'm going to go 5" regardless, rather have dzus fasteners and another inch of clearance anyways..
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From what I see hood wise, the main thing to me is getting a cowl that will go almost to the windshield. I've never been a "big" hood guy anyway so I went with the c-5 style 3" from vfn. I should know in a week or two just how much clearance I have. Check the link out. http://www.vfnfiberglass.com/9301firebird.htm
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That hood will look good. I'm kind of a fan of a big cowl, but I think anything over 4" will look bad.
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I've got another question for you OP, or anyone else for that matter who may know. What HP/TQ difference do you think there would be if you went with a Vic Jr over the Super Victor? Did you at any point consider the Vic Jr, and if so, what made you utlimately decide on the Super Vic?
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Originally Posted by Rise of the Phoenix
I've got another question for you OP, or anyone else for that matter who may know. What HP/TQ difference do you think there would be if you went with a Vic Jr over the Super Victor? Did you at any point consider the Vic Jr, and if so, what made you utlimately decide on the Super Vic?
A large amount.

Plenum volume is greater on the Super Victor.
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
A large amount.

Plenum volume is greater on the Super Victor.
I would love to swap on a Super Victor for a head to head drag test on my car.
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Couple years ago guy with a mustang did a back to back at the track. Ported vic jr. 6.48. Stock super victor 6.34.
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Originally Posted by Rise of the Phoenix
That hood will look good. I'm kind of a fan of a big cowl, but I think anything over 4" will look bad.
They have pics of cars on VFN's site, you can see there isn't much difference between the 4" + 5" hoods.
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Originally Posted by toby
Couple years ago guy with a mustang did a back to back at the track. Ported vic jr. 6.48. Stock super victor 6.34.
.12 is huge, esp. for an unported supervic. Imagine a ported one with smooth runners and more plenum volume
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Originally Posted by 1BAD98LS1
.12 is huge, esp. for an unported supervic. Imagine a ported one with smooth runners and more plenum volume
I bet it wouldn't be that hard to port one yourself. At least be able to smooth everything out.
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Trust me when I say, do not buy a Victor Junior. Buy a Super Victor like the OP did, it's worth a lot of power over the Victor Junior.

I don't think the results of the under the curve torque would of been near what they would have been had the OP used a Victor Junior.


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