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Old 11-24-2013, 06:16 PM
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Default different cam or speed density?

I have a 2001 trans am with a h/c/i and stalled auto

specs:

Heads- 5.3 706 casting ported and milled to 62.5 cc

Head gasket: cometic .040 mls

Cam: Tick performance POLLUTER

Intake: Fast 90 w/ Nick Williams 90mm tb

Maf: 85mm delphi w/ ftp 98mm lid

Headers: pacesetter 1 3/4 longtubes w/full 3 inch exhaust

Compression:10.92:1

Stall: ptc 4000

My tuner is having issues where the cam is causing reversion at idle and braking. During normal driving it runs fine but wants to die at idle or stopping. He's thinking to either do speed density or a smaller cam. I'm just trying to weigh my options. I want my car to be able to drive all year round and have reasonable street manners.

thanks for the input

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That's a pretty good size cam. It definitely won't have the best street manners but a good tuner should be able to get it to idle without dying. I don't think a speed density tune is the answer. Running airflow and timing are.
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An SD tune is not really going to prevent the reversion phenomenon...that's hardwired in how the cam works and you can't change that unless you change the cam itself.

You can only tune a big cam so much, at a point you're just going to have to deal with it given the size of that. Although I do think a decent tuner should be able to make that cam not stall out the engine each time.
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That's a fairly good size cam, but nothing crazy. Honestly, a good tuner should have no problem with your setup IMO
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I feel like it should be fine considering how long the cam has been around and it's popularity but Idk. I guess I will just wait and see what comes of it. There just aren't many tuners around here lol
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Just have your tuner turn the maf off and dial in up to 1600 rpm cells in the VE table to see if SD will even fix it. You should be able to test that quickly to determine if it will work or not.

If it does, then put in a tube and go SD.
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Reversion is not causing those issues.

Running air flow, IAC position and spark timing are. Which do need to be modified due to added overlap and reversion, but those parameters aren't correct if your car is stalling.
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Ohh okay. Yeah I have no idea about the whole tuning aspect. I really like the numbers and performance ive seen this cam put down in other cars. I think I may just have someone with more experience look at it come spring. I'm just going by what my tuner was telling me. Lol
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If you can't find someone to tune it properly, I will offer you a discount on a trade for a smaller cam.

I'll give you a credit for your current Polluter camshaft and you can use that credit towards a newer smaller camshaft that will make your tuners job much easier.

Just let me know.
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If you can't find someone to tune it properly, I will offer you a discount on a trade for a smaller cam.

I'll give you a credit for your current Polluter camshaft and you can use that credit towards a newer smaller camshaft that will make your tuners job much easier.

Just let me know.
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its tough to see what's going on without a scan. It could be a number of things. I've seen something as dumb as an air intake causing stalling issues.
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maybe you could send your ECM to Martin for a mail order tune .
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Originally Posted by HCI2000SS
That's a fairly good size cam, but nothing crazy. Honestly, a good tuner should have no problem with your setup IMO
This. I went speed density and can't tell the difference, and I will admit I'm a rookie tuner
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Maybe this is not proper, but I've found that slowing down the idle air decay rate usually fixes the stalling problem when coming to a stop.
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It's usually caused by incorrect fueling, or idle settings. Can't tell anymore without a scan.



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