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01-15-2014, 08:13 PM
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01-15-2014, 10:50 PM
#25
I said turbo or nitrous... but having a mean, snarling 450+rwhp car is still fun. Putting another 150 on top of that with a spray of some giggly juice will make it plenty fast most of the time. And that can be done on the stock bottom end.
The real money comes when you start to bullet proof the car... rearend $2500+; forged shortblock $3k+ and upwards in a hurry; if auto, built auto $2k+ and then the suspension pieces to get the power down...
It's a never ending quest to go broke.
The real money comes when you start to bullet proof the car... rearend $2500+; forged shortblock $3k+ and upwards in a hurry; if auto, built auto $2k+ and then the suspension pieces to get the power down...
It's a never ending quest to go broke.
01-15-2014, 11:16 PM
#26
The trick is to figure out if you are just after a minor increase and the I gotta cam sound and it runs good and is reliable. Or are you trying to ring every last pony out of it you can possibly get out of it and plan on being broke and working on it all the time.
I've done more than a few smallish non donkey dick cams that everyone here loves and swears by on mine and customers LS1's and the basics headers and lid on several 100K mile+ LS1's and they have lived a long healthy life and are still alive. If you plan on driving the pee whiney dog snot out of it or a huge cam then you may want to plan on building new motor. If you are goin to cam it go with a reasonable sized cam and drive sane 65% of time then that LS1 will go the distance no problem.
I've done more than a few smallish non donkey dick cams that everyone here loves and swears by on mine and customers LS1's and the basics headers and lid on several 100K mile+ LS1's and they have lived a long healthy life and are still alive. If you plan on driving the pee whiney dog snot out of it or a huge cam then you may want to plan on building new motor. If you are goin to cam it go with a reasonable sized cam and drive sane 65% of time then that LS1 will go the distance no problem.
01-16-2014, 09:15 AM
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For not a lot of money you can hone the engine 5 thou over put a set of manly pistons and rods just of the shelf parts nothing fancy polished the stock crank, trick flow 220cc heads, vrx5 cam and a fast 102 and make 420-450 hp from a m6 i made 417 on an a4
01-16-2014, 11:12 AM
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01-16-2014, 05:08 PM
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Not early as often, the factory lifter & rod bearing thing is a fairly common thing as is valve train issues with aggressive camshafts.
When was the last time you've seen a decent aftermarket part fail in a street/strip type LS motor?
I work in a plant formerly owned by GM, vehicles are designed for a combination of performance, reliability & ease of assembly(which means lower cost) not to be modded & raced.
There are plenty of stock cubic inch 5.7/6.0s making good reliable power & plenty of 40x" turds.
When was the last time you've seen a decent aftermarket part fail in a street/strip type LS motor?
I work in a plant formerly owned by GM, vehicles are designed for a combination of performance, reliability & ease of assembly(which means lower cost) not to be modded & raced.
There are plenty of stock cubic inch 5.7/6.0s making good reliable power & plenty of 40x" turds.
Then there is also human factors as well, I wasn't specifically targeting the aftermarket parts. Machine shop problems and incorrect work, bearing sizing, rod sizing etc.
And last there is inexperience as well whether it be improver PTV clearance, cutting corners, improper push rod length as well as improper torque etc.
So like I said its a game of chance, If he has a good running engine then work with that regardless of mileage. And judging if you should mod or buy parts with fear of doing it wrong isn't a place for this hobby. Lord knows over the years I have had made mistakes and paid for them and I have also had things work out in the end.
01-16-2014, 06:37 PM
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amen to that!
The list could go on with decent aftermarket parts that have failed. Everything from faulty bearings, rockers, cams, springs, valves etc.
Then there is also human factors as well, I wasn't specifically targeting the aftermarket parts. Machine shop problems and incorrect work, bearing sizing, rod sizing etc.
And last there is inexperience as well whether it be improver PTV clearance, cutting corners, improper push rod length as well as improper torque etc.
So like I said its a game of chance, If he has a good running engine then work with that regardless of mileage. And judging if you should mod or buy parts with fear of doing it wrong isn't a place for this hobby. Lord knows over the years I have had made mistakes and paid for them and I have also had things work out in the end.
Then there is also human factors as well, I wasn't specifically targeting the aftermarket parts. Machine shop problems and incorrect work, bearing sizing, rod sizing etc.
And last there is inexperience as well whether it be improver PTV clearance, cutting corners, improper push rod length as well as improper torque etc.
So like I said its a game of chance, If he has a good running engine then work with that regardless of mileage. And judging if you should mod or buy parts with fear of doing it wrong isn't a place for this hobby. Lord knows over the years I have had made mistakes and paid for them and I have also had things work out in the end.
01-16-2014, 07:05 PM
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The list could go on with decent aftermarket parts that have failed. Everything from faulty bearings, rockers, cams, springs, valves etc.
Then there is also human factors as well, I wasn't specifically targeting the aftermarket parts. Machine shop problems and incorrect work, bearing sizing, rod sizing etc.
And last there is inexperience as well whether it be improver PTV clearance, cutting corners, improper push rod length as well as improper torque etc.
So like I said its a game of chance, If he has a good running engine then work with that regardless of mileage. And judging if you should mod or buy parts with fear of doing it wrong isn't a place for this hobby. Lord knows over the years I have had made mistakes and paid for them and I have also had things work out in the end.
Then there is also human factors as well, I wasn't specifically targeting the aftermarket parts. Machine shop problems and incorrect work, bearing sizing, rod sizing etc.
And last there is inexperience as well whether it be improver PTV clearance, cutting corners, improper push rod length as well as improper torque etc.
So like I said its a game of chance, If he has a good running engine then work with that regardless of mileage. And judging if you should mod or buy parts with fear of doing it wrong isn't a place for this hobby. Lord knows over the years I have had made mistakes and paid for them and I have also had things work out in the end.
YUP! You think you'll save a couple bucks and get more if you bore this, stroke that, upgrade that....takes forever and success becomes very dependent on the $20 bearing or the wrench guy who just wants to move on to the next gig.
If I were to do it over?
GMPP LSX454 600hp out of the box and a warranty.
01-16-2014, 07:32 PM
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01-16-2014, 07:39 PM
#38
Bob @ BruteSpeed has a very nice custom Procharger kit... grab his supercharger cam too. Nice out of the box package that will work and put down well over 600rwhp on a stock LS1.
I'd also consider a Hi-Ram in a boosted application or an LS6 intake. Or even a Super Victor with an elbow.
I'd also consider a Hi-Ram in a boosted application or an LS6 intake. Or even a Super Victor with an elbow.
01-16-2014, 07:55 PM
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The list could go on with decent aftermarket parts that have failed. Everything from faulty bearings, rockers, cams, springs, valves etc.
Then there is also human factors as well, I wasn't specifically targeting the aftermarket parts. Machine shop problems and incorrect work, bearing sizing, rod sizing etc.
And last there is inexperience as well whether it be improver PTV clearance, cutting corners, improper push rod length as well as improper torque etc.
So like I said its a game of chance, If he has a good running engine then work with that regardless of mileage. And judging if you should mod or buy parts with fear of doing it wrong isn't a place for this hobby. Lord knows over the years I have had made mistakes and paid for them and I have also had things work out in the end.
Then there is also human factors as well, I wasn't specifically targeting the aftermarket parts. Machine shop problems and incorrect work, bearing sizing, rod sizing etc.
And last there is inexperience as well whether it be improver PTV clearance, cutting corners, improper push rod length as well as improper torque etc.
So like I said its a game of chance, If he has a good running engine then work with that regardless of mileage. And judging if you should mod or buy parts with fear of doing it wrong isn't a place for this hobby. Lord knows over the years I have had made mistakes and paid for them and I have also had things work out in the end.
