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Old 02-28-2014, 02:16 PM
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Default Cloyes 9-3153A, no torrington bearing?

I just got my cloyes 9-3153A, it had no torrington bearing. Some sites say its supposed to have one.

What is correct? Just wanna know before I go to install it tomorrow.

I bought it from sdparts ebay store

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SDPC-Scoggin-Dickey-Parts-Cloyes-9-3153A-BILLET-HEX-ADJUST-LS1-/230878594875?pt=Other_Vehicle_Parts&hash=item35c16fc73b&vxp=mtr
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Also, does anyone know if this timing chain is strong like an ls2 chain?
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Considering cloyes makes the LS2 chain id say your safe.
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The only picture I found that shows the bearing is the one at Summit. No others show a bearing.
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Originally Posted by mchicia1
Also, does anyone know if this timing chain is strong like an ls2 chain?
Who said an LS2 chain is strong! Cloyes extreme duty C5R chain is strong, fitted with the Cloyes hex a just gear set.
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I'm using the Katech C5r chain already, I just wanted this timing set to use with it.

But I also wanted to know if the chain is at least as good as the LS2 chain, because I am putting this same timing set in a mild cam only build I am doing for my Dad and I feel the katech chain is an unnecessary expense for his build.

I know it's the older cloyes, so I am not sure if the chain is the same as the new ls2 cloyes. I know cloyes makes the ls2 chain.

FYI, both builds are also using an ATI damper
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Originally Posted by LS1MCSS
The only picture I found that shows the bearing is the one at Summit. No others show a bearing.
I just saw at jegs/summit both descriptions do list as includes thrust bearing.

I guess I'll find out when I install it, if it spins correctly or not.
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Found this note

"Note: All Chevy sets (non factory roller cam), and BB Chrysler set include Captured Needle Bearing (#9-220)"

I guess LSX cars don't include it.
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Got my answer by searching the corresponding comp part number.

No torrington bearing. Not a huge deal I guess.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...-confused.html
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If you seen the Cloyes extreme duty C5R chain against the LS2 you would not be asking if the C5R chain was as strong as the LS2 chain, more like Damn the LS2 chain is real small against the C5R chain.
I have not seen the Katech C5R chain, but from you asking is it as strong as the LS2 makes me believe it is nothing like the Cloyes extreme duty C5R
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What? I never stated once or asked that the c5r chain was as strong as the ls2 chain...

I'm not using the cloyes in my own car.

I just want to know if this cloyes IS the ls2 chain or not.
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Originally Posted by mchicia1
I'm using the Katech C5r chain already, I just wanted this timing set to use with it.

But I also wanted to know if the chain is at least AS GOOD as the LS2 chain, because I am putting this same timing set in a mild cam only build I am doing for my Dad and I feel the katech chain is an unnecessary expense for his build.

I know it's the older cloyes, so I am not sure if the chain is the same as the new ls2 cloyes. I know cloyes makes the ls2 chain.

FYI, both builds are also using an ATI damper
Originally Posted by mchicia1
What? I never stated once or asked that the c5r chain was as strong as the ls2 chain...

I'm not using the cloyes in my own car.

I just want to know if this cloyes IS the ls2 chain or not.
My bad: Your exact words are above "AS GOOD" which really means the same thing.
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I wanted to know if the cloyes was as good as ls2. Thats it. I use katech in my own car already. Anyway. Got the timing set on. It was dead nuts on. What a nice product for 105 bucks.
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Originally Posted by mchicia1
I wanted to know if the cloyes was as good as ls2. Thats it. I use katech in my own car already. Anyway. Got the timing set on. It was dead nuts on. What a nice product for 105 bucks.
You should have been asking, is the LS2 as good as the Cloyes, answer NO!
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I just found out the cloyes that comes with the 9-3153A is the ls2 chain. Renold makes it for both cloyes and GM.

I'll run it
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If anyone decides to get this, paint a mark above the dot, because once you put the oil driver on, it hides the mark it comes with. That's my only complaint about the product.
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Originally Posted by mchicia1
I just found out the cloyes that comes with the 9-3153A is the ls2 chain. Renold makes it for both cloyes and GM.

I'll run it
Correct. Cloyes has a very good tech support line. They have not only provided me with good information, but the history on the LS2 chain and the IRL chain as well. The Katech C5R chain doesn' look "thick", but the material is different and likely the source of additional strength. I also have correspondence from JWIS on the chain used to make the C5R chain and it is also used in the high end M5 and other high output motors. It is also worht noting that JWIS makes several chains of the same pitch, not all are the same as the chain used to make the C5R chain so just because it is JWIS doesn't mean it is the same chain that Katech used to make the C5R version.
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Originally Posted by vettenuts
Correct. Cloyes has a very good tech support line. They have not only provided me with good information, but the history on the LS2 chain and the IRL chain as well. The Katech C5R chain doesn' look "thick", but the material is different and likely the source of additional strength. I also have correspondence from JWIS on the chain used to make the C5R chain and it is also used in the high end M5 and other high output motors. It is also worht noting that JWIS makes several chains of the same pitch, not all are the same as the chain used to make the C5R chain so just because it is JWIS doesn't mean it is the same chain that Katech used to make the C5R version.
Yeah I compared the katech chain to the renold and they looked very similar.

I paid $150 for the katech chain and it said katech on it so it better be the real deal!

It's probably overkill in my setup, but you can't be too safe with parts behind the front cover.
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Nope. I went with the IRL setup, it was big bucks. Also the timing chain damper.



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