Timing chain -LS2 or Cloyes
03-11-2014, 02:36 PM
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Timing chain -LS2 or Cloyes I was going to buy the LS2 chain and new gears, but think I might be leaning towards the Cloyes 9-3153A from SDPC instead. I think it comes with the LS2 chain and is adjustable. I don't want to screw around with a dampener, and I may not even need to.
Is there an advantage running this vs. the stock LS2 chain/gears other than being adjustable? I'm assuming I wouldn't have to worry about slack. This is not much more money than stock chain/gears.
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Is there an advantage running this vs. the stock LS2 chain/gears other than being adjustable? I'm assuming I wouldn't have to worry about slack. This is not much more money than stock chain/gears.
Thanks
03-11-2014, 02:47 PM
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Yes, it takes out the chain slack.
You should degree any cam install, but with an aftermarket timing set that is adjustable, you REALLY need to degree it in to ensure everything is kosher.
You should degree any cam install, but with an aftermarket timing set that is adjustable, you REALLY need to degree it in to ensure everything is kosher.
03-11-2014, 06:55 PM
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Cloyes. The gears provide the precision. The chain provides the strength. Get the Cloyes with the C5R chain and run the LS6 damper.
I run the LS6 damper and a Rollmaster double row chain. Very precise timing and no slack - Cloyes with hexajust is even more precise and easier to use. Cloyes also takes out the slack as the chains are hand matched to the gears.
I run the LS6 damper and a Rollmaster double row chain. Very precise timing and no slack - Cloyes with hexajust is even more precise and easier to use. Cloyes also takes out the slack as the chains are hand matched to the gears.
03-11-2014, 07:27 PM
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I ended up buying the Cloyes 9-3153A hex-a-just set. I talked to SDPC and was told the chain is comparable to the LS2. Not sure if it's the same part number but it is heavy duty and a true roller chain. I figured for what I'm doing it should be fine.
I'd have to pick up the Trick Flow dampener adapter bracket and LS2 dampener in order to run it on my block. I understand the purpose of the dampener, but if you remove most of the slack with the Cloyes set, compared to what a stock LS2 timing set has, is the dampener really necessary, or just recommended?
I'd have to pick up the Trick Flow dampener adapter bracket and LS2 dampener in order to run it on my block. I understand the purpose of the dampener, but if you remove most of the slack with the Cloyes set, compared to what a stock LS2 timing set has, is the dampener really necessary, or just recommended?
03-11-2014, 07:37 PM
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I ended up buying the Cloyes 9-3153A hex-a-just set. I talked to SDPC and was told the chain is comparable to the LS2. Not sure if it's the same part number but it is heavy duty and a true roller chain. I figured for what I'm doing it should be fine.
I'd have to pick up the Trick Flow dampener adapter bracket and LS2 dampener in order to run it on my block. I understand the purpose of the dampener, but if you remove most of the slack with the Cloyes set, compared to what a stock LS2 timing set has, is the dampener really necessary, or just recommended?
I'd have to pick up the Trick Flow dampener adapter bracket and LS2 dampener in order to run it on my block. I understand the purpose of the dampener, but if you remove most of the slack with the Cloyes set, compared to what a stock LS2 timing set has, is the dampener really necessary, or just recommended?
I got the same set, it's a good deal @ $110 shipped.
You don't *need* the damper, it's just nice to have. I opted to go with a c5r chain, cloyes timing set, and an ATI superdamper.
My car is a street car. I would probably get struck my lightning before I would break a chain in this car.
If I were you, I'd take the money towards the damper, and see if you can find an ATI superdamper instead. A lot of times they sell ones with minor blemishes on ebay for $215, that's how I got mine.
Everything really depends on how you run your car.
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03-11-2014, 08:17 PM
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The chain IS the ls2 chain, Renold makes both.
I got the same set, it's a good deal @ $110 shipped.
You don't *need* the damper, it's just nice to have. I opted to go with a c5r chain, cloyes timing set, and an ATI superdamper.
My car is a street car. I would probably get struck my lightning before I would break a chain in this car.
If I were you, I'd take the money towards the damper, and see if you can find an ATI superdamper instead. A lot of times they sell ones with minor blemishes on ebay for $215, that's how I got mine.
Everything really depends on how you run your car.
I got the same set, it's a good deal @ $110 shipped.
You don't *need* the damper, it's just nice to have. I opted to go with a c5r chain, cloyes timing set, and an ATI superdamper.
My car is a street car. I would probably get struck my lightning before I would break a chain in this car.
If I were you, I'd take the money towards the damper, and see if you can find an ATI superdamper instead. A lot of times they sell ones with minor blemishes on ebay for $215, that's how I got mine.
Everything really depends on how you run your car.
The Cloyes is a good deal, and I expect it to be better than a chain with stock gears.
03-11-2014, 11:35 PM
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I cannot think of a good reason NOT to use the damper. Especially if you have high rate springs. Think about last summer. How many times did you wrap it up to a higher rpm, and then close the throttle? We all do it, because it feels good and sounds good.
Apparently, it's that rapid engine deceleration that gets you. One side of the chain gets tight, and the other side gets a little slack in it. that's when it whips around and bad things happen. With a good chain, you're not likely to break it. But it will stretch and wear a lot faster. And there goes your valve timing.
I've been road racing a SBF for the last decade. I tear the engine down every two years at a minimum. I use the best chains and gears I can find. Unfortunately, the SBF does not have any support for the chain. Every time I tear the engine down, that high quality/expensive chain is stretched out and floppy. I spend nearly $200 on new gears and chain with every tear down.
Personally, I plan on spending those small bux to prevent that from happening in this engine.
Apparently, it's that rapid engine deceleration that gets you. One side of the chain gets tight, and the other side gets a little slack in it. that's when it whips around and bad things happen. With a good chain, you're not likely to break it. But it will stretch and wear a lot faster. And there goes your valve timing.
I've been road racing a SBF for the last decade. I tear the engine down every two years at a minimum. I use the best chains and gears I can find. Unfortunately, the SBF does not have any support for the chain. Every time I tear the engine down, that high quality/expensive chain is stretched out and floppy. I spend nearly $200 on new gears and chain with every tear down.
Personally, I plan on spending those small bux to prevent that from happening in this engine.
03-13-2014, 11:12 AM
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Interesting.
That was from 2002, before the LS2 chain was out. Can anyone verify for sure that the older cloyes set now comes with an ls2 chain? I know they stopped making the ls1 chain a while back.
That was from 2002, before the LS2 chain was out. Can anyone verify for sure that the older cloyes set now comes with an ls2 chain? I know they stopped making the ls1 chain a while back.
03-13-2014, 03:58 PM
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All the replies in this thread, and everything I have researched says it does. I called SDPC and asked them and they also said it does. Hopefully mine will be here tomorrow and I will post up a picture of the new set vs. my original LS1 chain.
03-30-2014, 09:53 AM
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I got my timing set installed and love it. Really nice set and has the heavy duty chain. I decided to go with the Trick Flow timing chain dampener set. One thing I learned from this is do not install the dampener before your timing chain. It is impossible to get the chain on with it installed. The dampener fit on to the bracket so tight I didn't dare trying to pull it off with fear of breaking it. I ended up pulling my crank gear back off and sliding the chain and gears on together.
Anyways here is a picture of the Cloyes vs. stock :
Anyways here is a picture of the Cloyes vs. stock :
03-30-2014, 10:35 AM
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Yes it is the 9-3153A. You are correct, it does not have the bearing. I was originally going to go with a LS2 chain and stock gears, but decided to grab this instead. Mostly because of price and wanted to be able to degree my cam in.
03-30-2014, 11:24 AM
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http://www.summitracing.com/parts/tf...5600/overview/
Lets hope not. Would defeat the purpose of having it.
