94form2000z

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Post the #'s for us.

2002_TAWS6

any dyno numbers yet?

Very interested.

jrp

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this is what he put down tuned.

dvandentop

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yeah he didnt have new pulley or throttle body those are on order plus a better tune


tune from rippie was sorta rushed coulda have gotten alot better numbers i think

lsx24

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I agree, more air in more air out the formulas don't change. You just have to identify which ones will yield good gains and which ones are more of a filler mod until you can utilize that increased air. I had a TB ordered also but I plan on doing the usual head/cam mods in the future so that should help. I enjoyed the clips if you can find some time driveby & incar shots are rare & always cool.

Sanders

Holy ****, i expected those #s to be a lot higher. Still seem pretty low even if he doesn't have a TB and pulley. My 99, which I thought was a dyno pig, put out 365 hp and 366 tq w/ a lil' TR 224 114 w/out a pulley and TB with Jet Hot LTs. Hopefuly its just a bad tune! Be interested to see what she puts down w/ the pulley and TB. Be even more interesting to see what it would do w/out the cats.

dvandentop

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cats wont be goign anywhere i am suer but yeah i think the tune from rippie sucked *** or something he didnt even mess with the timing tables and was done tuning in like 1 1/2 hours

jrp

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did you guys install the cam degreed right derek? if im reading the graph right it stops making power just before 6k. the TB is maybe worth 10-12rwhp and the pulley really aint worth much on the dyno. either its one hell of a shitty tune or something else is wrong.

but wasnt his baseline 327rwhp or something, so 40hp from a cam definately aint bad. its all relative.

Sanders

Yeah, I understand that cats won't be going anywhere, I was just saying that it would be interesting to see how much power they rob. I am actually thinking about going w/ a catted Y pipe this time around.

Was the 327 w/ the QTPs and catted Y pipe?? Im sure this has been posted earlier in this thread, but is this car an A4 or M6? Im assuming M6 if he was drivng w/ no tune w/ that large of a cam.

dvandentop

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cam timing chain was right on the money

and yes dyno before cam was 327hp so 40 hp aint bad but darkhalf has an 02 with same mods pretty much and he is making 375 with the 224 and a tb

so i dunno

2002_TAWS6

dvandentop, check out my mods in sig. I do not have a ported TB as well and i dynoed 379.94rwhp and 363rwtq. I also have cats on my setup.

I would hate to burst your bubble but something is VERY wrong. Are you sure your car was even tuned? My car does not have the best tuning ever (car shakes like a ****) but the power is there.

I honestly expected more like 400+rwhp from your setup at least - no exaggeration. Your torque numbers are even lower than mine - not good.. Plus I thought your rpms should go even higher like almost 7000rpms? something is wrong i think. I mean if you compare it to MTI X1 cam that cam should put down 415rwhp at least with couple of bolt ons (basic headers and intake..etc). Ill try calling MTI on tuesday and ask them to verify the performance expectations.

To be a little more realistic, with a cam that big I would be very disappointed if i could not beat a stock 2002 Z06 from a roll (which I cant do now - waiting for 373s to be installed).

I would get a retune ASAP. I always wanted to go with a bigger cam than mine as I was never satisfied with the power (too greedy lol). To think a bigger cam dynoes less than mine is not right.

Mention all the bolt ons you have on there so we can make a better judgement.

Sorry if this post did not make your day but I was just trying to be realistic.
Gaining 40rwhp is not bad at all on my cam not yours. Let us know the story.

Run for a retune and it must put down at least 400rwhp with no exceptions. Im assuming your car is a 6 spd with stock 3:42 gears correct me if im wrong.

dvandentop

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yeah this is my friends car
02 35thss 6 speed 3.42

ok this might be long but

we were supposed to have a dyno tune at 9am at doug rippie motorsports in minneqpolis on tuesday morning
well we get there right at 9am doug isnt going to be in since som court thing came up were alike like ok i guess, we drove 4 hours 1 way to get there by 9am!
so his shcedulue is fucked up and my friend and i both figured he just tossed some **** together.
he said 10hp gain from tuning was best he could do

anyways he starts getting car pulled right at 12:30
anyways we are leaving his shop at around 2:30 last pull on the dyno sheet was timed at 1;47 so only an hour for dyno tuning??? also most the time was spend messing around getting his a/f meter to read since friend has the 4 tip middle exit tips

anyways so yeah we told him all mods, he took off AIR codes sicne we got rid of that.
he changed some air fuel stuff i am darn sure he didnt mess with any timing i am going to have my friend that looked at the edit file chime in here.

also sent the file to alan at futural to see how "bad" the tune was

so needless to say i am pretty damn sure tune was rushed since something popped up and messed up his day .

i am going to host the ls1edit file and it is for a 02 car so feel free to look at the tuning and chime in

dvandentop

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also once we got back home the next day it started dying on idle and **** again seemingly like it was before we even got tuned

i want my friend to dispute the charge or atelast call rippie and chew some *** since obviously not tuned right or something
even though rippie said that si the best he could get out of it

anyways here is the ls1edit file
http://sio.midco.net/dvandentop3/tun...BEEKFINAL1.LS1

2002_TAWS6

wish i knew anything about tuning to help you out but I dont.

Finally some very great news for you, my tuner told me that my cam LOVED more timing! on his first tune it made 350rwhp, then finally 360rwhp (that was done before headers were installed. 380 after headers). So after 6 times of retuning and tweaking he made 10rwhp OVER his first tune.

Im sure your friend paid good money for the tuning. Dont let it end with just a few increased ponies. I want to see some better tuning and unleash the fury!

My only guess so far would be its either bad tuning or the cam specs are wrong? I doubt you got the wrong cam in there? what does alan futural expect as far as dyno numbers from this cam? I would ask him and see what he thinks.

Good move on sending him the ls1edit file. Would love to hear his comments.

Wish your buddy the best of luck and tell him I have faith in 400rwhp with only a couple of bolt ons required if he doesnt have them already. With bolt ons i mean these: airlid, 160 stat, pulley, tb bypass mod, catback system, longtubes and 3" y-pipe (cats can stay). Those were the only bolt ons I had on my car when i dynoed 380rwhp on my cam setup.

Dont let those guys fool your buddy by saying you need a cutout or a TB to get to my numbers. 380rwhp should be pathetic for your dyno numbers but again Alan would know best. Im hoping you could do around 415rwhp with a ported tb and a cutout for sure if not even more.

I would also ask alan how high of an rpm range does the cam make usuable power. I've seen people increase 10rwhp going from 6200 rev limit to 6600 but there curve was spiking up and yours is going down - again i think bad tuning.

Hope alan sees this post too. I was really looking into this cam to make more power. I heard this cam should make about 450rwhp with a good set of heads. Make me a believer so i can purchase one too

2002_TAWS6

by the way here are my cam specs compared to your buddys:

F13 cam : 230/232 .58*/.59* on 114 LSA = 365rwhp 360rwtq

TR224 cam: 224/224 .561/.561 on 114 LSA = 380rwhp 363rwtq

I see a huge difference in cam specs wise if you ask me! You should be making way more torque thats for sure! But again Alans word about this would matter the most.

Good luck be sure to let us know what happens.

Darkhalf

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After looking at the LS1 file I can see a few things that can be done still to possibly make that car even stronger. I am by no means an expert in tuning but after 2 years of reading and learning from experiences I can say that it needs more tweaking.

Also should point out that the MAF Tables were altered. To me and from what I have read that is complete no-no. Also its still on the stock 01-02 timing tables. I dynoed 375rwhp with the mods below and that is before the ported TB, cutout, and more tweaking with Edit. I can say after adding the 97-00 timing tables that the car really woke up through the complete power band. So I wouldn't be surprised I'm in the 385-390rwhp range, maybe, but pushing it.

dvandentop

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i wonder if it just a problem cause we didnt dyno in texas

Damage Inc.

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Hopefully he can see the cams true power when all is said and done.

35thss2

tuning really sucked

my rpms don't come down now when I step in the clutch until I'm completely stopped also still doesn't idle right. Keeps dying on me.

I'm buying LS1 Edit myself and will go the custom tune route

also bought a ported TB and ASP pulley

more numbers to come after I get a good tune.

2002_TAWS6

thanks for the feedback. good move on the TB and pulley (although my pulley squeaks like a ****)..