close to buying MS4 cam
I agree. AFR and TFS heads have been around for a long time, and could be considered "dinosaur heads", but hey, they continue to be the staple of LS heads. Just look at what the old dinosaur AFR 205cc heads continue to do.
yes i know if a cam works it works lol, im not big on tsp cams, just my 2 cents that there are much better cams out,i have a ms4 in my car , so its not like im guessing here, even with supporting mods all its power is made near the moon, fine in a drag car but not the best for a fun street car, street car you want good low n mid range, thats what makes it fun, now cams have better lobes and much better power bands, it wont be as bad in your z06 vs your eceryday f body but i still feel like b.tooley,tick etc have better stuff, its your call, if i was happy with the ms4 i would leave it in there,
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From: Turnin' Wrenches Infractions: 005
Right, I'm not a big proponent of anyones cams. Meaning I've seen cams from everyone work well in the right application. And of the big names, I've seen some examples from all vendors perform poorly IMO. I'm not for or against any one vendor. I think its more about overall combination. I mention cam motion a lot because I think they have a lot to offer and lots of people don't even know who they are. Personally, I wouldn't call the ms line out of date because for their intended purpose they still seem to get it done.
not meant to be a joke, have had a ms4 in my car for the past 4 years, while its great at the drag strip theres much better stuff out now, it took so much to make my car run well, vs my buds that were running much better times with smaller cams, my car is 95% a street car, and honest on the streer it doesnt run bad but its far from a pleasure to drive, the bucking etc isnt that bad but still will get on your nerves a lil, im just going off my exp, if your going for a race car its great, but as i said mines more of a street car, tech improves each year , donkey dick cams were very big for awhile , but to say there isnt better cams out nowadays is kinda a joke to me, again its what the op is after thats just my 2cents, everyone i know that has had a trex,polluter,ms4 etc has been much happier by going with a lil smaller custom grind,
yes i know if a cam works it works lol, im not big on tsp cams, just my 2 cents that there are much better cams out,i have a ms4 in my car , so its not like im guessing here, even with supporting mods all its power is made near the moon, fine in a drag car but not the best for a fun street car, street car you want good low n mid range, thats what makes it fun, now cams have better lobes and much better power bands, it wont be as bad in your z06 vs your eceryday f body but i still feel like b.tooley,tick etc have better stuff, its your call, if i was happy with the ms4 i would leave it in there,
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From: Turnin' Wrenches Infractions: 005
Yep, ms4 is not for everyone. Saying there are better cams now is BS. The real reason it takes more to make it work in a street car is because its not a street oriented cam. Just like TSP said, that isn't the cams fault.
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Verdad Gallardo Right, I'm not a big proponent of anyones cams. Meaning I've seen cams from everyone work well in the right application. And of the big names, I've seen some examples from all vendors perform poorly IMO. I'm not for or against any one vendor. I think its more about overall combination. I mention cam motion a lot because I think they have a lot to offer and lots of people don't even know who they are. Personally, I wouldn't call the ms line out of date because for their intended purpose they still seem to get it done.
Then it sounds like you have the wrong cam for your set up sir. It's not the cam's fault. That cam was designed to be a top end / race oriented cam. If you want more midrange and a more streetable set up we definitely would have recommended a different cam given your parameters. We can custom spec cams with softer lobes as well if that is what you are looking for. So instead of bashing the cam or TSP you should have chosen the cam more appropriate for your combination and goals.
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good thing is your in luck , you dont have to go on what a few guys said in this thread, there are 1000 ms cam threads, its what your after, i say there are better cams because there are imo, i base that off of that most of us have street cars that see the track a few times a year, and no doubt there are better cams for that, ones that wont need every top buck supporting mods,hey if your car spends more time at 6600 plus rpms this cam is all you, reason i have wrote some of the things i have is to maybe help a new guy out, back when i got this cam was during the peak of the donkey dick cam era lol so there wasnt to many cons at the time, ill say it one more time its great at the track, if your hardcore its for you , but also have this in mind , sooner or later you will want boost, trust me you will, best to plan for it now lol, you guys take care, dont make to much out of a comment full of humor, have had this cam for a long time ,only reason i made a comment, im not going off a youtube vid lol
My comment was made as a joke and nothing more. If I wanted a cam I could drive around the downtown streets of Chicago, I'd obviously not go with a MS4; I'd get something like the T-Rex. 
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with the big cams make sure your valve train geometry is spot on .get a push rod measuring tool to get the correct length push rods .get some new rocker arm bearings .make sure the valve springs are installed correctly .