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Old 07-08-2014, 02:59 PM
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If he really wants to step it up, he could do those PRC 227 heads with the FTI Hellion cam.
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Originally Posted by VandykeT/A
490 with a MS4/PRC 215s. Peaked at 6900.
You mean you dyno'd 445 on a dyno dynamics dyno and doing the ricer math of adding 10% to supposedly match a dynojet, you would make 490rwhp.

My old H/C LS1 made 463/414 on a stang dyno. I guess I would be making 510rwhp on a dynojet out of my H/C LS1….... not happening

Not trying to be rude but your post is misleading.

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Skip the 215's. Call TSP and ask them. The 227's are a better head, and pick up substantially from midrange on. Who the hell cares what the car feels like under 2500 anyway. I'm NEVER there.

Get the hollow intake and exhaust valves, good Ti spring kit, and yeah, I'd go with a full on Street Sweeper'ish cam, but get the thing SPEC'D from Ed.

The aftermarket heads are going to give you more than you think, and a hell of a lot better deck surface. Did I mention the 12* valve angle...?
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Originally Posted by dr_whigham
Skip the 215's. Call TSP and ask them. The 227's are a better head, and pick up substantially from midrange on. Who the hell cares what the car feels like under 2500 anyway. I'm NEVER there.

Get the hollow intake and exhaust valves, good Ti spring kit, and yeah, I'd go with a full on Street Sweeper'ish cam, but get the thing SPEC'D from Ed.

The aftermarket heads are going to give you more than you think, and a hell of a lot better deck surface. Did I mention the 12* valve angle...?
Man, ain't that the truth. Good advice right there.
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Originally Posted by dr_whigham
Skip the 215's. Call TSP and ask them. The 227's are a better head, and pick up substantially from midrange on. Who the hell cares what the car feels like under 2500 anyway. I'm NEVER there.

Get the hollow intake and exhaust valves, good Ti spring kit, and yeah, I'd go with a full on Street Sweeper'ish cam, but get the thing SPEC'D from Ed.

The aftermarket heads are going to give you more than you think, and a hell of a lot better deck surface. Did I mention the 12* valve angle...?
The better than stock valve clearance is another big reason why I am looking at the PRC aftermarket heads. With the milled 5.3 heads I have now I don't think I can fit a big enough cam to make it worth the cam swap.
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Originally Posted by mchdg86
The better than stock valve clearance is another big reason why I am looking at the PRC aftermarket heads. With the milled 5.3 heads I have now I don't think I can fit a big enough cam to make it worth the cam swap.
Flycutting would be your friend in that scenario. Then, you could go for the big mill and max compression.
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Don't buy the anything CNC ported. I would buy the As cast 220 head and have it ported with a valve job done on the head and surfaced milled to ensure they are flat or go with the trickflow as cast 225 and have those ported. You can fit any valve you want in those setups. I would run ferrea hollow stem valves or turned down ls3 valves in the head 2.055 or so and just run a SS exhaust valve. That will make you pick up power everywhere especially with the cam you have now. Your car isn't a race car and will lose more than it gains by going to a bigger cam. Unless you have an automatic with a 4000 stall the cam you have now is great and is regarded as probably one of the best all around cams you can have. Too many people on this board have piece meal setups that don't match and don't work well together and run average times and end up being dyno queens. One other option is a dart 205 head and have that ported to a 225cc or so setup.

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Originally Posted by mchdg86
What kind of numbers did your setup put down?
Sorry been busy. My car is completed should be back soon. I then have to put 500 miles break-in on the new rear before she goes back for the dyno tune. ASAP I will make a thread w/ pics & the build list. I will post after dyno results as well.
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Heads will gain you more than you think.

Depending on what you use the vehicle for a cam swap may or may not be the best option.
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
Heads will gain you more than you think.

Depending on what you use the vehicle for a cam swap may or may not be the best option.
How much do you think I would gain with a 10-15 cfm gain across the board? The car is pretty much a weekend toy that goes to the track once or twice a year. I don't know if it's possible but what cam would you suggest to hit the 500 rwhp mark while staying under 6800 rpms and still making decent low and mid range power?
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Flow numbers don't always tell the whole tale between two heads. Port shape and speed along with flow is where power is made.

You could possibly see a 25-30hp gain with the right heads. To make 500rwhp a cam will need to peak at 6500-6600rpm which will move the optimal shift point past 7000rpm.
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
Flow numbers don't always tell the whole tale between two heads. Port shape and speed along with flow is where power is made.

You could possibly see a 25-30hp gain with the right heads. To make 500rwhp a cam will need to peak at 6500-6600rpm which will move the optimal shift point past 7000rpm.
I really don't want to rev it past 6700-6800 rpms on pre 01 LS1 rod bolts. What cam would you suggest to give me 10-15 hp over the cam I have now while still keeping the rpms under 6700.
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233/236 .619/.585 112+3 for an increase across the board and wide flat power band. Shift at 6600-6700.

235/240 .621/.588 111+2 for a loss under 2500rpm, but a violent mid-range and pull to 6600-6800.
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
233/236 .619/.585 112+3 for an increase across the board and wide flat power band. Shift at 6600-6700.

235/240 .621/.588 111+2 for a loss under 2500rpm, but a violent mid-range and pull to 6600-6800.
What would the ideal compression be for the 233 cam on 91 octane?
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Taking into account P to V with a stock bottom end, I would choose a .040" gasket and a 64cc chamber.
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
Taking into account P to V with a stock bottom end, I would choose a .040" gasket and a 64cc chamber.
The PRC 215s have a 62 cc chamber stock. Would that be a bit too much compression with a .04 gasket?
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OP, think about swapping to AFR heads instead?
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Originally Posted by R6cowboy
OP, think about swapping to AFR heads instead?
Just out of curiosity, why? The AFR's have a 15* valve angle, while the PRC's have a 12*.
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OP isn't interested in a "donkey dick" cam as he stated. I'm just curious if the OP looked into AFR, he originally just posted about a head swap.
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Originally Posted by R6cowboy
OP, think about swapping to AFR heads instead?
Originally Posted by R6cowboy
OP isn't interested in a "donkey dick" cam as he stated. I'm just curious if the OP looked into AFR, he originally just posted about a head swap.
I like the 13° valve angle and that they start out at a 62cc combustion chamber better. While I'm not interested in going donkey dick big I'm not opposed to going mid sized on the cam. With having to mill the AFRs to get to 62cc or smaller I may or may not run into p to v issues. And as I originally thought about just swapping the heads the old while I'm in there I might as well train of thought took over lol.

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