Here's the thread... https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...hlight=Stealth

 

Excellent, I'll check out the sound clip when I get home. Right now I'm leaning towards the 5.3L patriot heads. 1295 shipped to my door with everything to install. Any comments on that?

 

Owned by myself, the Colonel, and the owner of the car in question.

Doesn't get much better than that.

See previous posts.



Actually its HIS cam in HIS car, so I thought he might be better qualified to talk about it.

I mean, I think the cam was his idea, right?

Probably because he was listening to people like you.

Seems he's rethinking that now, eh?

It was designed to be quiet/stealthy. Hence the name. Very quiet. Sounds about like stock.

 

 

Depends on what you call a "smaller cam"

To me, small is anything under 230/230, under .600 lift.

Z06 cam/stock cam is TINY.

And if you're doing a cam, 220/220 is the LEAST duration you'd want to go.

Else, why even bother?

And why bother spending $1500+ on heads and then completely neuter your setup with the Z06 cam.

It does not make sense!

 

Z98, If you had looked at the posts with any intelligence. You'll see that at the time I posted my last thread, the original poster had not come out and said that he wanted to change cams. He still had his first post saying "I paid $100 for this cam, looking for some good heads." Then you reply with get a big cam, which doesn't really help him even now as he's considering a bigger cam than the LS6 but still a stealth one. Stealth to me is someone listening to the car cannot tell there's a cam in there. I've heard plenty of 220/220 114 lsa cams and it's tame but anyone can definitely tell there's a cam in there, heck I've heard a 212/218 114 lsa and i can tell. An MTI Stealth II cam or LS6 cam would be much better for stealth, (LS6 will make less power but is a better bang for your buck). So Z98, you still haven't proven anything accept that you can quote multiple people and make yourself look like an idiot.

 

You're like the kid who threatens to take his basketball and go home.

Just because everyone is against you doesn't mean you should pout.

Everyone is wrong sometimes.

Deal with it.

Grow up.

Incomplete sentence.

Do you know any thing about each cam's specs?

And you're calling me the idiot?

Please.

gg runthead

 

 

Wow you've lost it man game over game over.

There are better much performing cams that are very stealthy.

You're a moron. Compare any of the smaller (220-225 range) cams against a Z06 cam, and it loses all throughout the powerband, especially at low end.

So you and your cheerleader vs. every piece of evidence ever presented on this board.

gj

gg

DIE TOPIC DIE

 

Ok, an LS6 cam is the same as stock below say 3500 rpms. Bigger cams lose a lot of low end torque and gain more at the top end. If you look at my comparison again, I was comparing a big cam-only setup vs. a small cam/heads setup. I'd like to see others post what they think here.

And Z98, no more out of you:

 

Okay, lets try this one more time.

First let me say:

Boy, you are wrong!

Deal with this, and you'll be much better off.

That's pathetic! The stock LS1 cam makes no power!

How big are we talking though? Check out any medium sized cam (say smaller than 230+), and it smokes the LS6 cam AT EVERY POINT FROM 2500-7000.



Who would waste their money on a small cam/heads setup? I've never seen anyone running that setup, and I'm sure the numbers any people are getting from it are pretty sad for the money they spent.

(remember when you said small cam you are talking about the Z06 cam, remember?)

How small are we talking? Do you have a car with the Z06 cam and a nice set of heads? THEN SHUT THE **** UP YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

Most aftermarket cams make more power under the curve than the Z06 cam does. FACT. You cannot argue with this. Please let it go. You are wrong.

Every poster in this thread has you and I'm the one who should get out?

 

Actually yes I do have a car with an 02 LS6 cam and stage I heads, they aren't installed but I've definitely done my homework. And you are an *** hatt if you think no one runs small cams and heads these days. Again Colonel runs Stage 2 LS6 heads and a tiny 224/220 cam and made 420 rwhp thru an A4. Speed Inc. had a Z06 with ported LS6 heads, stock LS6 cam, 1.85 rockers and made 425 rwhp. So it's clear you're a n00b so I must say:

 

Oops, just saw this

So Z98:

 

Man you've lost it game over game over.

Keep posting stupid pictures, that makes you right

Grow up, please. For your sake. This is just embarassing.

If you spend the money on a set of heads, using a Z06 cam is a waste of money. The examples you are using are aftermarket cams with much higher ramp rates, more lift, and more total duration than a stock Z06 cam.

Yeah a tiny cam with .581 lift? And a z06's (02) specs are:

204/218 .551/.547 116

224/220 .581/581 116/117?(don't know off the top of my head)

This "tiny" cam is way bigger at every point than a Z06 cam.

Care to comment?

I never denied the power of small aftermarket cams. I'm just telling you that the Z06 cam is a waste of money when paired with a nice set of ported heads. Period. End of story. You will find no sane person on this board who agrees with you on this point.

And something tells me you won't be posting your numbers when you get them (if ever )

I bet there are people with TR224 setups who make more power than what you are going to have out of stage 1 heads and a stock (assuming 02) Z06 cam.

Christ you are like talking to a wall.

Lets just see your numbers, okay?

Until then please stop embarassing yourself and be quiet.

No one is saying you can't make any power with a Z06 cam. But to get ported heads then leave 20+ horsepower on the table because you don't want a real cam with similar driving characteristics? Or because you don't want to spend $200 more dollars? That's just stupid.

Kinda like you and your pictures. Save that kinda crap for .com

 

you guys are hilarious. why argue that the zo6 cam isn't a very good choice? I think everyone has over looked the fact that he claimed he was on a, what seems to be, strict budget. He paid 100 bucks for a cam...if he is installing it himself, he is well on his way to gaining some hp without spending much $$. Some people don't have 300 bones for a "better cam", which is subjective at best anyhow...could he get a "better cam" for 100 bux?

HOWEVER, at the same time the original poster is contradicting himself with respect to his budget by saying he would be ok with paying 1250 bucks for a set of heads. Which if im not mistaken, with ls1 engines, heads aren't a big power producer...but that I'm not positive but I thought that was the information i gathered since I got hooked to this site back in sept. '03. I was under the impression a good bulk of the power for an ls1 is generated from the upgraded cam, and the heads just let the cam do its job better...
so with a ls6 cam, wouldnt' he benefit more from just porting his own stock heads and upgrading to hardened pushrods and some 918 springs? which if he is on a true budget he could swipe those from someone in the for sale section for relatively cheap.

I myself am on a very strict budget. Its to the point that i want a few extra ponies myself, but I dont want to have to get tuning (tuning is very expensive locally and they aren't very knowledgible to boot) so the 02 zo6 cam would fit right into my budget. if its only worth 8 rwhp...considering install is going to run me 100 bucks and a 24 pack of water (oops i mean budweiser), and i could find a set of pushrods and springs for around 150-200 bucks thats somewhere in the ball park of 350-400 bucks. with no other expenses.

for the record, i could save up more and get a 224, but then tuning comes into play (which will run me around 600 bucks and lost work wages to schedule an appointment...considering this is the only car i have), id have to get alot more to run the cam such as ls6 oil pump, double timing chain push rods, springs and retainers most likely, this all drives the price to a point where THEN the cam wouldn't be worth it cause i wouldn't be able to buy gas or nitrous for the next coupleo f months...

so if someone wants to inform me where I am in the wrong, please feel free. Just to me, it seems like a zo6 cam would be beneficial, as I don't really care if someones car is faster than mine cause someone will always be faster, that and i dont have an inferiority complex if someones car is. I just want a little extra umph when im driving my car on a sunny Sunday afternoon with the ttops off listening to classic rock while im on my way to my girlfriends house in the boonies.

just my .02...wella ctually that was more like $2.42 but hell who's word counting here?
Travis

 

Compared to what? The power you'll gain compared to say, an expensive cat-back or LS6 intake is well worth it in the hp:$$$ ratio.

Mail order tune.

Also about your tuning comments, a nice set of heads is probably going to need tuning no matter what cam you're running.

 

next month i am installing the Z06 Cam, Will I be sorry? No, because I don't want to screw with the smog **** around here & I want something that is going to give good power gains for not a lot of money.

 

So how did it turn out? I want to do the z06 cam with some ported 5.3 heads just to keep it sounding stock... extra 40-50 hp should be easy shouldn't it?

 

I think the guy asked what heads to go with the LS6 cam....
Get back on topic....

 

AFR 205's milled down to 60 or 59CC-expect 40rwhp and tones of torque-check the sig.