if a 27k mile 02Z28 fell on your lap?
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Teching In
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if a 27k mile 02Z28 fell on your lap? WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
a customer of mine brought in a car and wants some work done. what would YOU do to it? HORSEPOWER ONLY not suspension not looks... that stuff comes later.
project:
02 camaro Z28 T56 with TWENTY....SEVEN.... thousand miles ORIGINAL to the car.... it's in immaculate shape... absolutely freakin' cherry and looks like it strolled off the gm showroom floor yesterday!. it even has the girly snow flake z28 rims still.
goal:
400rwhp .... LOW to MID power.. constant power, NOT nitrous and Naturally Aspirated. doesn't need to make power at full red line.... STREET car daily driver that will appear stock and smoke the doors off of WRX nerds.
questions.
parts list... CAM is a must... cam is 100% required on this build... that's THE reason he brought it to us... so which cam would YOU put in it?
thoughts:
I know a lot about these cars and these motors. But, i thought it may be fun to ask the other LS freaks what they'd do if this car fell on their lap.
remember... this is a 100% bone stock car exactly like it was off the lot. same ugly air intake and everything. it sounds like an electric car when it pulls up. completely quiet.
also.................... he has between 3500 to 4200 budget on this and HE HAS TO PAY US... so keep it reasonable. no 1500hp monster builds... 400!!!!!
a customer of mine brought in a car and wants some work done. what would YOU do to it? HORSEPOWER ONLY not suspension not looks... that stuff comes later.
project:
02 camaro Z28 T56 with TWENTY....SEVEN.... thousand miles ORIGINAL to the car.... it's in immaculate shape... absolutely freakin' cherry and looks like it strolled off the gm showroom floor yesterday!. it even has the girly snow flake z28 rims still.
goal:
400rwhp .... LOW to MID power.. constant power, NOT nitrous and Naturally Aspirated. doesn't need to make power at full red line.... STREET car daily driver that will appear stock and smoke the doors off of WRX nerds.
questions.
parts list... CAM is a must... cam is 100% required on this build... that's THE reason he brought it to us... so which cam would YOU put in it?
thoughts:
I know a lot about these cars and these motors. But, i thought it may be fun to ask the other LS freaks what they'd do if this car fell on their lap.
remember... this is a 100% bone stock car exactly like it was off the lot. same ugly air intake and everything. it sounds like an electric car when it pulls up. completely quiet.
also.................... he has between 3500 to 4200 budget on this and HE HAS TO PAY US... so keep it reasonable. no 1500hp monster builds... 400!!!!!
I bought mine last year with 8k miles, currently at 19k. Low mileage, mint ones are out there but hard to find. I'm doing a high quality N/A build for mine. For power I plan to do FAST intake/TB next then AFR or AI heads with appropriate cam for my wants and a UDP to top it off.
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well full exhaust is a must. LTs to true duels. 1 7/8s would be ideal but pricey. a custom ground cam would be good but even a 224/228 .578 .580 good from 1600-6000 cam or 228 230 .581 .591 lift for alittle more mid power. and duel valve springs because its a daily. of course push rods and defiantly a tune. clutch will be needed.
New Set of heads (AI 241/243's; AFR 210/215; TFS Cast 215 or TSP LS6 2.5)
Long tube headers 1 7/8" into new ypipe w/cutout to a catback of clients choice.
Cam (228/228; 226/234, 230/234, 238/240 or 239/243)
and Tune
or just cam w/headers, ypipe, lid and tune
Long tube headers 1 7/8" into new ypipe w/cutout to a catback of clients choice.
Cam (228/228; 226/234, 230/234, 238/240 or 239/243)
and Tune
or just cam w/headers, ypipe, lid and tune
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I bought my car in sig with 10k mi in 2009... It has 17k mi now. Still smells and looks showroom new. They are out there but few and far between. Actually I think clean 4th gens look better then ever now that you do not see them all the time.
First thing I would do is put a solid exhaust setup on the car. Kooks 1 7/8 LT with their True Dual exhaust setup is amazing. It gives us F-bodies that Corvette sound. Not the raspy BS you get with y-pipe setup. Next step is quality heads...I would go with some AI 226cc and a 226/230 cam. Next up is the clutch...probably a monster level 2 or 3 and put a 3.90-4.10 gear in it.
First thing I would do is put a solid exhaust setup on the car. Kooks 1 7/8 LT with their True Dual exhaust setup is amazing. It gives us F-bodies that Corvette sound. Not the raspy BS you get with y-pipe setup. Next step is quality heads...I would go with some AI 226cc and a 226/230 cam. Next up is the clutch...probably a monster level 2 or 3 and put a 3.90-4.10 gear in it.
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Brett Foote
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$3,500-4200 will go REALLY quick assuming your charging him labor costs too.
I think if you installed full exhaust, dyno tune, and a clutch with the Tick adjustable master cylinder; your customer would be very happy with the end result.
He would be around 350-360RWHP, and have a clutch that doesn't stick when ripping through the gears.
I think if you installed full exhaust, dyno tune, and a clutch with the Tick adjustable master cylinder; your customer would be very happy with the end result.
He would be around 350-360RWHP, and have a clutch that doesn't stick when ripping through the gears.
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Teching In
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From: Austin, Texas
$3,500-4200 will go REALLY quick assuming your charging him labor costs too.
I think if you installed full exhaust, dyno tune, and a clutch with the Tick adjustable master cylinder; your customer would be very happy with the end result.
He would be around 350-360RWHP, and have a clutch that doesn't stick when ripping through the gears.
I think if you installed full exhaust, dyno tune, and a clutch with the Tick adjustable master cylinder; your customer would be very happy with the end result.
He would be around 350-360RWHP, and have a clutch that doesn't stick when ripping through the gears.
I guess his main thing is, half of tje things I told him he needed, he said "I can do that myself... but I cant tear the engine out and install a cam... the rest I can do in my garage"
Which was kind of the basis for my post.. it got me thinking. Lol...
But... the truth is, if the other things like intake and exhaust aren't done BEFORE the tune if we do stab a cam in it, the tune is more or lsss for nothing once he does make those and all of the other potentiL power adder bolt on changes. . And that's what im trying to convince him of...
Nut I absolutely agree with your post...
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Teching In
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From: Austin, Texas
But.... that cam does sound bad to the bone... question is, who makes it? I kinda looked around on summit briefly but dont see much with a 114 lsa...
if it's a daily driven car, I'd go for a cam with power under the curve. no need in a bad ***, choppy cam that only pulls north of 4k. there was a Pat G thread awhile back where he built a torque monster. i think he mentioned it was one of the most fun cams he'd ever done.
I agree that $4k will go quick. You'd probably need twice that much with labor to go full intake/heads/cam/exhaust/clutch
I agree that $4k will go quick. You'd probably need twice that much with labor to go full intake/heads/cam/exhaust/clutch