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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
Honestly if worried about warranty, resale and such modifying cars is the wrong hobby. Want more HP in a warranty good resale package that is nice to drive buy a newer Vette, or if you want something more daily driver a CTS-V.
This is good advice. I wouldn't want a vette or viper as a daily driver.
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 07:09 AM
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He never said anything about him Daily driving the car. He said he wanted reliable.
The LS platform is very reliable considering its built the right way. If you want Gobbs of HP and TQ BUILD your vette.

you could buy a long block and have a warranty as well here is a example
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ml...FcFr7Aoddz4AUQ
They put down an impressive 625 hp and 565 ft.-lbs. of torque! They feature a 30-month/50,000-mile warranty




if you want a Unique car that's going to turn heads everywhere you go get a VIPER !
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by RezinTexas
This is good advice. I wouldn't want a vette or viper as a daily driver.
Thanks for the advise.... although neither car would be technically a daily driver, I work from my house.. I start my car and drive it maybe 100 miles a week now.. I use to drive it before I started just staying home vs. Going into the office to do the same job.

The reason I was so concerned about the warranty is because I like to know the work was done correctly and parts used or top quality. We are talking about performance cars, a majority of the performance parts have very limited warranty, so when you can get a three year 36000 mile warranty on it makes one think absolutely this is a great deal.

I have possibly found away to buy a viper and keep mine as well... I am waiting for this seller to respond and if he does I can have both cars. Although I am sure the Viper already has a buyer for it.... It is a Gen 3 viper with NOS and has a Paxton supercharger. The car makes 700hp and I am sure I will be parting out the motor to buy a different motor for this car.

Some deals are too good to be true and this one seems to be this way.. But I will see how it turns out. Otherwise I am still open to Lingenfelter and other options.
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 08:08 AM
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it's brake horsepower
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 08:32 AM
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There are many excellent LS builders who are (honestly) too cheap for the service they provide.

Engine builders: Thomoson Motorsports, Texas Speed, Livernois, etc

Heads: AFR through Tony Mamo, TEA for stock castings or TFS

Cam: Martin Smallwood, Brian Tooley, Pat G

Valve train: Brian Tooley


The vast majority of the time, any one of these guys will actually take the time to personally speak to you regarding your goals and help you design something rather selling off the shelf parts. These guys give you their expertise and their products are proven time after time. It is a much different experience than speaking to some dick over the phone (presumably who has never been inside an engine) trying to sell you a street cam that will beat the **** out of the valve springs in 5k miles...and yes, that is yet another knock on Ligenfelter garbage.

Search. Read. Educate yourself. Then personally speak to the people who provide proven results and tell them what you're looking for. I myself have personally dealt with Kyle Thompson, Martin Smallwood, and Brian Tooley and could not have dreamed of better customer service. These guys and the service and products they provide are simply top notch.

Edit: I'll add one more thing about Lingenfelter and be done. The sales rep you spoke with didn't know what BHP was. Think about that. The person Lingenfelter elected to receive public inquiries has no idea what BHP is and couldn't be bothered to spend the three seconds to Google it and educate himself. That should tell you something. How uneducated do you think their idiots in the back are that aren't allowed to speak to the public? If you were shopping for a new car, and the salesman knew less about their product than you do, would he be the one to get your business? Or, would you walk across the street to another lot? What about a home builder who doesn't know the difference between a stud and a truss? See where I'm going with this?

This is the exact same conversation I've had with every Corvette owner who has bought into Lingenfelter hook, line, and sinker.

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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 08:59 AM
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This http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ml...2ctf/overview/

This http://www.summitracing.com/parts/aw...1009/overview/

This Straight axel conversion ! http://www.rodandracecraft.com/products_corvettec5.htm

That would make one hell of a street machine !
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 10:08 AM
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Not to defend Lingenfelter but most large companies have glorified receptionists or sales people answering the phone. The knowledgeable folks are in back not answering the phone.
Therein can lie a benefit to small and medium sized shops who can't justify a cheap clueless receptionist or scumbag commissioned salesman equally clueless but also dishonest.

Far as 100miles a week, that qualifies as DD to me. I have to drive to work and don't put that much on my daily. I know I am fortunate to live close to work though.
To own a modified car you either need to work on it yourself of be prepared to get to a good performance shop be that local or footing the bill for a rollback. Things like valve springs become maintenance items, or PCM tuning might make scan tool readings look odd to the local dealer etc.
I wouldn't own a heads/cam car unless I knew how to do the work, and I accept the fact I am pushing the shortblock beyond the designed limits. Take a motor with a factory 5500rpm limit and turn it 7000rpm for a few years and even if it breaks you proved how good it was not how bad........
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 08:01 PM
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The Viper ad was a scam... The fake ad seller contacted me and told me that he still has a car and we were coming to an agreement and I did more research found out who the real owner was contact them and they were shocked that someone is using his car to attempt collecting money without having the vehicle. It was a complete scam...


modifying my car seems like the best option...
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Stand_together
modifying my car seems like the best option...
Or simply get online and FIND the Viper YOU want. Hands down, if I could get in a Viper I would. There's no looking back. Once it's on your radar that's it. You and I both know it...
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Old Jan 12, 2015 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by dr_whigham
Or simply get online and FIND the Viper YOU want. Hands down, if I could get in a Viper I would. There's no looking back. Once it's on your radar that's it. You and I both know it...
You know truly deep down that's what I want to do is have the Viper. I had found two really good priced vipers online and both turned out to be a scam. My friend who recently bought a porsche 911 got almost the same email word for word from the scam artist. The emails basically say that they dropped the price because they're deploying and they need to sell the car within the next 2 weeks.. They want the money wired or go through a third party to transfer the funds. The car is never located where they are. The thing that does concern me is if I find a true ad I will most likely pass it up and over pay A dealership just to have a piece of mind it's a legitimate deal.. I know the funds that I will have to use to have a Viper will not increase another $10,000, because I know that I do not want a gen 1 Viper.. and I would want a low mileage gen 2 or 3 Viper.. so now I am looking at 40k vs the 30k I was hoping to spend.
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Old Jan 12, 2015 | 10:05 AM
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As a c5 owner, get the viper. Would love to own a heads/cam viper one day. Have you looked at c6 z06's as well? You can find ridiculous deals on those now.
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Old Jan 12, 2015 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by whatsa347
As a c5 owner, get the viper. Would love to own a heads/cam viper one day. Have you looked at c6 z06's as well? You can find ridiculous deals on those now.
I am not a big fan of the c6 Corvettes.. The Z06 is by far the nicest c6 in my opinion and this includes the ZR1. The only 30,000 dollar Z06 was a high mileage Z06.. if I would do a C 6 Z 06 it would have to be under 40000 miles and under $30,000 which is really unrealistic at this point. otherwise I'm in the same category as the dodge viper which I would perfer Over the Z06 at the $40,000 range.
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Originally Posted by Stand_together
I am not a big fan of the c6 Corvettes.. The Z06 is by far the nicest c6 in my opinion and this includes the ZR1. The only 30,000 dollar Z06 was a high mileage Z06.. if I would do a C 6 Z 06 it would have to be under 40000 miles and under $30,000 which is really unrealistic at this point. otherwise I'm in the same category as the dodge viper which I would perfer Over the Z06 at the $40,000 range.
I agree, and you have to deal with the valve replacement issue and what not. I still say get the viper.
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Old Jan 13, 2015 | 12:22 AM
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+1 find a way to have both cars.

Do you work on your Corvette yourself (why do you need a warranty...?)...?
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Old Jan 13, 2015 | 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Stand_together
I am not a big fan of the c6 Corvettes.. The Z06 is by far the nicest c6 in my opinion and this includes the ZR1. The only 30,000 dollar Z06 was a high mileage Z06.. if I would do a C 6 Z 06 it would have to be under 40000 miles and under $30,000 which is really unrealistic at this point. otherwise I'm in the same category as the dodge viper which I would perfer Over the Z06 at the $40,000 range.
Texas Direct Auto. Give them a shout. I bought my Viper truck from them a few years back, they always have really nice cars at reasonable prices. Shipping has gone down a bit also in the last few months.
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Originally Posted by HISS
Texas Direct Auto. Give them a shout.
I'll second that. I've bought 3 vehicles from them. 2 Escalades as well as my current Corvette. Great to deal with.
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Old Jan 13, 2015 | 06:48 AM
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