New cam is in, biggest cam ever in a stock bottom end?
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You got the thumbs down from me because of the "i've got the biggest cam in a stock bottom end". Since you seem to be a self proclaimed cam guru, you should know that cam won't be for **** in that application. Poor driveability, poor low-end torque, no power under curve, wheres the thought behind it? If you put the cam in there just for the hell of it, that's one thing, but if you actually thought you were going to write a new page in LS-1 time and dyno books, I think you'll be mistaken. It should work ok in a 385, but is still a bit big for that application also, unless you are trying to combat for poor flowing heads. I may not be a super cam guru, but I've been to school many times. But just for the hell of it, rev it to the moon and tell us how it does.![Grin](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_grin.gif)
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Intimidated?.... Far from it.
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Originally Posted by Beast96Z
You got the thumbs down from me because of the "i've got the biggest cam in a stock bottom end". Since you seem to be a self proclaimed cam guru, you should know that cam won't be for **** in that application. Poor driveability, poor low-end torque, no power under curve, wheres the thought behind it? If you put the cam in there just for the hell of it, that's one thing, but if you actually thought you were going to write a new page in LS-1 time and dyno books, I think you'll be mistaken. It should work ok in a 385, but is still a bit big for that application also, unless you are trying to combat for poor flowing heads. I may not be a super cam guru, but I've been to school many times. But just for the hell of it, rev it to the moon and tell us how it does.![Grin](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_grin.gif)
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As for power under the curve and all that BS, my N20 runs shifting at 6800 never saw anything below 5500rpm on spray, so now I'd imagine with the 200 jets in and shifting at 7200 I'll never see anything below 6000 during a pass. But, I guess you know all and I'll have to tell my car to slow down and start driving like crap because you said so.
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Originally Posted by jrp
im a 99' no lesss
. no offense dude but it seems like you didnt do any applicable research. what good is the biggests cam on a stock bottom end if you pull a Sly.
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I'm not trying to bust up your parade man. If your building an all out track car, then so be it. Maybe you should inlighten us a little on your set-up, then maybe I/we may not be so hard on your decision. If you plan on your car only living above 5500+, then it'll probablly scream, but for the average joe, they'll see this post and believe that their street car can do the same. As far as power under the curve being BS, I guess it depends on your curve. No one ever said I knew all, and I most certainlly don't think I do, but I know enough to hold my own. My set-up is being built now, and it'll play it's part on the street and the strip. I just don't want people with less knowledge thinking they can have the coolest set-up because they have the biggest cam out there. You and I both know this thing wouldn't be very nice in a SBE street car. Either way, get it to the strip, where it is supposed to be, and tell us how it does. 7300 rpm's and a 200 shot on a SBE, I hope the 385 is ready to be transplanted.
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I love how kids claim "power under the curve" this and that. As far as ET's are concerned, ESPECIALLY WITH NITROUS INVOLVED, You can make a million foot pounds at 3000, even 4000 RPM and I'll make 700rwhp and walk you like a dog.
Last time I checked every professional drag racing class they revved really high for a reason. Power is power, do the math you claim to be so good at.
Last time I checked every professional drag racing class they revved really high for a reason. Power is power, do the math you claim to be so good at.
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Originally Posted by masterdill
I love how kids claim "power under the curve" this and that. As far as ET's are concerned, ESPECIALLY WITH NITROUS INVOLVED, You can make a million foot pounds at 3000, even 4000 RPM and I'll make 700rwhp and walk you like a dog.
Last time I checked every professional drag racing class they revved really high for a reason. Power is power, do the math you claim to be so good at.
Last time I checked every professional drag racing class they revved really high for a reason. Power is power, do the math you claim to be so good at.
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what an awesome post!!! what did it dyno? what did it run? what did it trap (mph) ?
super super interested. I would always wanna know how fast a stock ls1 could go with just a cam as far as internal mods (although it might be far from what I or a majority of typical Joe's would go for) it would still be cool as hell to know how fast it would go. I would of still sold the block before i knew it would break apart (at least now that it has been proven lol). Now I see why some have gave you the thumbs down (bad decision totally unnecessary CO$T wise), but hey if u got the money who cares! I gotta admit im so damn interested to know what it put down. Please find out before you destroy it
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Keep us updated fo sho
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Damn would it put down like 470rwhp on stock heads (or possibly even more) on only cam internal mods?
super super interested. I would always wanna know how fast a stock ls1 could go with just a cam as far as internal mods (although it might be far from what I or a majority of typical Joe's would go for) it would still be cool as hell to know how fast it would go. I would of still sold the block before i knew it would break apart (at least now that it has been proven lol). Now I see why some have gave you the thumbs down (bad decision totally unnecessary CO$T wise), but hey if u got the money who cares! I gotta admit im so damn interested to know what it put down. Please find out before you destroy it
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Keep us updated fo sho
awesome post!
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Damn would it put down like 470rwhp on stock heads (or possibly even more) on only cam internal mods?
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WOOOHOOO I want pics of this one.....that is of the millions of pieces you'll find in your oil pan and scattered throughout your engine similar to mine. Not bashing ya I just want to see the pics after it blows because I can guarantee you it will with a 200 shot and revving to 7300rpm's it's just a matter of time, as long as your okay with it blowing up thats cool just post up some pics ![Grin](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_grin.gif)
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Yes, this is definitely interesting!
Beyond all of the hurt feelings there is certainly some good info/knowledge here.
I'm interested because I just put a 236/244 .559/.559 112 in my car with home ported heads and all and have been hearing soo much about people like myself "overcamming" cars just because they want bigger cams and/or numbers.
I had the TR224 (old style w/ .561 lift) in the car before and loved it. But after spinning a bearing and then doing a "budget" rebuild including strengthening the bottom end, porting the heads plus milling .030", larger valve seats (2.02/1.575) with 3AVJ, & LS6 intake etc... the car runs pretty damn mean on the same tune (but needs work)
I cannot wait 'til Thursady to have it tuned at Speed Inc. and see exactly how everything is working together.
I also see a trend (all over this forum) in arguing between dyno and track numbers. That's all fine with me but a dyno does measure true power produced, and the track measures power and traction... correct! Of course I want decent dyno numbers and decent track times. But, the way my car is set-up (suspension) traction can/will always be an issue for me so I'll take what I can get...
Troy
P.S. I forgot to mention That is a HUGE cam!
Beyond all of the hurt feelings there is certainly some good info/knowledge here.
I'm interested because I just put a 236/244 .559/.559 112 in my car with home ported heads and all and have been hearing soo much about people like myself "overcamming" cars just because they want bigger cams and/or numbers.
I had the TR224 (old style w/ .561 lift) in the car before and loved it. But after spinning a bearing and then doing a "budget" rebuild including strengthening the bottom end, porting the heads plus milling .030", larger valve seats (2.02/1.575) with 3AVJ, & LS6 intake etc... the car runs pretty damn mean on the same tune (but needs work)
I cannot wait 'til Thursady to have it tuned at Speed Inc. and see exactly how everything is working together.
I also see a trend (all over this forum) in arguing between dyno and track numbers. That's all fine with me but a dyno does measure true power produced, and the track measures power and traction... correct! Of course I want decent dyno numbers and decent track times. But, the way my car is set-up (suspension) traction can/will always be an issue for me so I'll take what I can get...
Troy
P.S. I forgot to mention That is a HUGE cam!
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dude god bless and enjoy... you've done your homework and have a shortblock ready to go, so don't listen to all these people who are either just jealous/scared/ or tryin to sound smart....
you admitted yourself the car has nothin under 4k rpm so why do you need all these people "teaching" you about area under the curve...
enjoy her!! any chances of gettin it to the track soon?
you admitted yourself the car has nothin under 4k rpm so why do you need all these people "teaching" you about area under the curve...
enjoy her!! any chances of gettin it to the track soon?
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dude god bless and enjoy... you've done your homework and have a shortblock ready to go, so don't listen to all these people who are either just jealous/scared/ or tryin to sound smart....
you admitted yourself the car has nothin under 4k rpm so why do you need all these people "teaching" you about area under the curve...
enjoy her!! any chances of gettin it to the track soon?
you admitted yourself the car has nothin under 4k rpm so why do you need all these people "teaching" you about area under the curve...
enjoy her!! any chances of gettin it to the track soon?
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I think many of you who are arguing that a cam of this size would be unbearable in a daily driver have very little or no experience with a large cam in an LS1. Obviously, this cam wouldn't make for a wonderful daily driver, especially when compared to a smaller cam. That said, I think there are many people on this board who would find that a large cam (240+ duration) doesn't necessarily equate to poor driveability. With a good tune and a small step-up in gear ratio, I see no reason why this cam would be unbearable to drive every day. Pleasant? Perhaps not. Bearable? Most certainly.
Remember when folks would've said the G5X-2 or 3 would be unbearable in a daily driver? Now there are a number of people doing it.
Josh
Remember when folks would've said the G5X-2 or 3 would be unbearable in a daily driver? Now there are a number of people doing it.
Josh