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Old Feb 16, 2015 | 04:54 AM
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I have a Lq4, fully machined block, that I bought from Summit Racing with 241 heads that were rebuilt. I measure the volume on the cc and they came out to 68cc. The problem I'm having is with my comp cam pushrod length checker the #1 and #8 have a .025in difference. My first measurement on cyl #1 int/exh was 7.375 @ no lash, and the #8 was 7.35 @ no lash. So then I flipped the rocker tray 180deg, now #1 is 7.3875 and #8 is 7.3625. I made sure I was on the base circle of the cam. I have no idea what to do right now.

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Old Feb 16, 2015 | 10:26 AM
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Are you using checker springs or solid lifters to check? I recall my pushrods not bring exact cylinder to cylinder, but I dont think a .025 difference
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Old Feb 16, 2015 | 10:45 AM
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"heads were rebuilt".
Does this mean a valve job? Maybe the seats and valves were ground.
Sometimes, a pit in a valve seat will warrant more correction when grinding.
I have variations in mine. I can't recall the correct figures.

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Old Feb 16, 2015 | 10:56 AM
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Lay a flat edge across all the valve stems, see if you have visible gaps and measure with a feeler gauge. This will give you an idea of how different the valve depths are but can't be used for determining pushrod lengths.
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Old Feb 16, 2015 | 02:52 PM
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They ground down the valve stems when they rebuilt the heads instead of using new valves.
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Old Feb 16, 2015 | 09:22 PM
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I swapped the driver and passenger side rocker trays, and now all cylinders except the #8 cylinder are with in .006" of each other. I don't know what's up with these rocker trays.
As for the #8 its now there's about a .011" difference. I looked at the receipt for my heads, they had ordered a new int and exh valve. So that explain why #8 requires a shorter pushrod.
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1 new intake and 1 new exhaust valve? Who rebuilt those heads? Buy new lifter trays because there is something wrong with yours; they cost next to nothing.
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They ground down the valve stems when they rebuilt the heads instead of using new valves.
You mean the top of the valve stems? As I recall, they are case hardened and if they ground through them you may find major issues once the car is running. If you mean the valve seat, then they will sit higher relative to the rocker.
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1 new intake and 1 new exhaust valve? Who rebuilt those heads? Buy new lifter trays because there is something wrong with yours; they cost next to nothing.
Yes, 1 new intake and 1 new exhaust valve. I had them rebuilt by a shop called Hedahls in Minot, ND. As for those rocker trays I'm definitely buying new ones, mine might be bent or something. I did double check though swapping the trays around makes for uneven pushrod lengths.
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I also screwed up and bought some Comp R 875 lifters without knowing they required adjustable rocker arms. .002 to .004 preload...
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Originally Posted by vettenuts
You mean the top of the valve stems? As I recall, they are case hardened and if they ground through them you may find major issues once the car is running. If you mean the valve seat, then they will sit higher relative to the rocker.
I've seen many guys grind down the valve stems (ends) and it's more common than you think.
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Originally Posted by Jontall
I've seen many guys grind down the valve stems (ends) and it's more common than you think.

Seriously?
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Seriously?
Some of mine have been machined down...Lots of guys that are using LS3 hollow valves get them machined down to fit an LS1.
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Originally Posted by Jontall
I've seen many guys grind down the valve stems (ends) and it's more common than you think.
Originally Posted by ls1 1990 VN
Some of mine have been machined down...Lots of guys that are using LS3 hollow valves get them machined down to fit an LS1.


Reassure me, a hardening surface treatment is performed after machining, is that correct?


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Originally Posted by miami993c297
Reassure me, a hardening surface treatment is performed after machining, is that correct?


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They are ground using a CNC coolant bath so they never get hot during the process and the hardness is unaffected.
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Originally Posted by Jontall
They are ground using a CNC coolant bath so they never get hot during the process and the hardness is unaffected.
Thank you Jontall for your info on the used process...
Does anyone know if the Rockwell hardness of the valve stem end remain at the same scale as OEM doing so?


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Depends on how they were originally hardened. As I recall, the GM valves have a cap welded on the top of the valve.
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