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First let me say I'm not revealing where these came from. I bought a new set of morels from a very well known supplier and was told that minor surface rust, scratches, and dirt was normal on them........ How did everyone's lifters look when you bought them? Only collecting information not here to start a bashing thread. Let me know your experience with morels. Thanks
Morel lifters also come in a good looking package. If they were thrown in a box or something, that could be the issue. But they are all separate in the packing I got.
Yup they package the **** out of them. Now if you take them out and leave them outside of packaging for a day or so you'll get light surface rust. But a cloth, oil, and some elbow grease will knock it off. Post up some pictures.
First let me say I'm not revealing where these came from. I bought a new set of morels from a very well known supplier and was told that minor surface rust, scratches, and dirt was normal on them........ How did everyone's lifters look when you bought them? Only collecting information not here to start a bashing thread. Let me know your experience with morels. Thanks
No, that's not normal at all. They should be delivered as Jake has illustrated. Clean and rust free. Someone probably sold you some returned inventory or something.
No, that's not "normal" per se. This time of year is rough due to humidity. The desiccant bags can only do so much. Dirt and scratches are an entirely different story...I wouldn't accept that response.
If the rust isn't too bad, nothing will be wrong with them functionally. Now, whether your ok with a rusty product after spending hard earned money is another story.
I had this happen with somebody recently from Hawaii. Of course they needed them ASAP...LOL! Overnighted a new set with a return label. If you want a replacement, I'm sure whoever you bought them from will work with you.
Mine came in those bags oily and what not with scratches on them, I know EXACTLY where you got them from already. Shame you can buy protection here. Try and talk to them, I sent them an email once and got nothing in return. So I'm kinda stuck with them. It's funny because I emailed Brian tooley and asked him about it and he answered within an hour about a product he sells that we got screwed on. Lesson learned, spend the extra $20 and buy from him.
These no doubt have been opened, slid into a block, and exposed for a while for the rust to appear.
I have pics but I don't want to share. I returned these and received a refund but was told that they have several sets of these and they all look like the ones I returned.......So I ordered else where and hope to receive them soon and if they show up in perfect condition like every other lifter I've ever bought then I'll be calling the shop in question to say WTF.
I just wanted to confirm that MOREL's quality control wasn't as crappy as I was being led to believe.
I'm not here to bash any vendor.....but I will say that this forum and many others seem to think that he is the go to guy for morels. I've built a bunch of engines and before I put dirt, scratched, and rusty parts in my new engine I'll just throw in a set of LS7's. I hope my new set show's up pristine. My new order is from a vendor who buys directly from MOREL. They are a not a well known company on this forum.
The guy that the crappy ones came from supplies a BUNCH of vendors with morel lifters. I went on MOREL's website and found the "short" list of dealers and picked out another company and picked up the phone. I'll report back once I receive the new ones for comparison. Also they were a lot cheaper Oh and the lifter in question is the 4708
I am going to address this because I am the supplier to the LS Tech vendor.
First, the lifters have no Scratches. They are brand new. I will ship these to any shop today that wants to verify this. These lifters still have assembly grease in the needle bearings. Tell tale sign is the resistance the roller has. The centerless ground OD of the lifter and rollers have no scuffing on them at all. New.
Morel back in 2010ish/2011ish had a bad issue with customers and product when we had that hot humid summer. At that time the started putting Desiccant packs in the lifters to absorb moisture.
Second. The tarnish that the lifters show is in the groove area that transfers oil and the top of the lifter where it rides in the guide. The OD part of the body that is centerless ground shows nothing.
I spoke with Morel about this and an order that we just got into today they have added the oil paper to the packaging to help with this issue and give some added protection.
The lifters did have some tarnish on them but they were NEW in the Box.
Clearly you can see they have not been run. I told the vendor if the customer did not want them to send them back. I also said if he wanted I would give him a break on pricing if he wanted. The date code on this lifter set is 5/11/15.
We pulled on 4 sets on the shelf and they all show signs of the tarnish. All the same date code.
Customer: "Put a set of Morel lifters the engine after I had set of OEM lifters fail. I've only got a 100 miles on these and they are very noisey and can't get them to quiet down.
ST: You can send them in and we can have Morel check them out.
When your oil tolerance are as tight as Morel, that metal is like boulders going through the engine. I had an old machinest once say. If you swap the L and F in LiFter you get FILTER.
Anything that comes out of the package needs to be cleaned. Period.
The "Worst" lifter I took out in the shop and used the following:
WD40
Card Board from a white unprinted box. In 8 minutes of cleaning the lifter it now looks like this:
The "Worst" lifter I took out in the shop and used the following:
WD40
Card Board from a white unprinted box. In 8 minutes of cleaning the lifter it now looks like this:
I had no intentions of throwing you under the bus. But since you want to show pics please show the one that has the scratches and scuffs. The rust I agree could have been dealt with(it does have rust specs on polished surfaces). The crud that was all over them was unacceptable. I would have to disassemble every lifter and cleaned them to have felt confident in them. But that still wouldn't take care of the finger nail catching scratch next to the pin for the roller. For the record wasn't trying to call you out. I was only gathering information on the cleanliness and overall look of the morel lifters when others had purchased them. What will tell me if this is the norm is when I receive the new lifters from the other supplier. Upon receipt I'll reply back and let you know. If they are in the same condition I will apologize publicly and just order another brand. Sorry for drama
I have inspected the entire set sir. They have never been run. There is nothhing the catches the fingernail that my 46 yr old eyes can see with a set of CVS $20 foster grant 1.5X readers. The "Crud" you speak must be the foam "lint" that is in the packaging. Morel spent a lot of money on that package and it works great but the parts must be cleaned when they come out.
Now should they have tarnish, no. It's a battle with a fully machined part in a non HVAC warehouse. But as you can see just a little elbow grease and the lifter cleaned up. I took care of the LS1 Tech vendor and told him whatever he needed to do to make you happy.
This is the set that was returned. As you can see it has the shipping date clearly on the label:
Good or bad I own up to either. My reputation means more to me than the almighty $. So I am not going to ignore a post like this. I took care of my customer.
For the record I buy direct. I do prefer to be off the radar. If you knew I was the supplier then all you had to do was pick up the phone. 28 years of being in this industry I still pickup the phone.
These no doubt have been opened, slid into a block, and exposed for a while for the rust to appear.
I have pics but I don't want to share. I returned these and received a refund but was told that they have several sets of these and they all look like the ones I returned.......So I ordered else where and hope to receive them soon and if they show up in perfect condition like every other lifter I've ever bought then I'll be calling the shop in question to say WTF.
I just wanted to confirm that MOREL's quality control wasn't as crappy as I was being led to believe.
I'm not here to bash any vendor.....but I will say that this forum and many others seem to think that he is the go to guy for morels. I've built a bunch of engines and before I put dirt, scratched, and rusty parts in my new engine I'll just throw in a set of LS7's. I hope my new set show's up pristine. My new order is from a vendor who buys directly from MOREL. They are a not a well known company on this forum.
The guy that the crappy ones came from supplies a BUNCH of vendors with morel lifters. I went on MOREL's website and found the "short" list of dealers and picked out another company and picked up the phone. I'll report back once I receive the new ones for comparison. Also they were a lot cheaper Oh and the lifter in question is the 4708
I will agree. By the scuffs on the polished surfaces I assumed they had been slid into a lifter bore.
I really assumed somebody returned these to you and they accidentally slipped through. Nobody's fault **** happens, which is why I had and have no intentions of trying to hurt you or your business. If this is how they are then no biggie. I just prefer a better finished product.
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New morel lifters rusty, dirty, normal? 
Oh and the lifter in question is the 4708 
