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Old Dec 3, 2015 | 07:02 PM
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I have a lead on a set of 799 heads. My concern is with my set up can I still run on pump gas. The engine will go into my 95 firebird convertible which is currently a 3.4 5 speed dog. This will be a fair weather driver. No track time. I am looking for a fun car I can be proud of. I drive a minivan most days. Here is what the engine would look like with the 799's.

Lq4 block
Lq9 Pistons
Ls6 Intake, with ported TB
I will need a different cam because the lq4 cam is for a truck. Here are the specs of the cam I was looking at.

Tick Performance ls2 street heat stage 1 229/232 | .619”/.600” | LSA113+3

From what I understand the specs of this build would be essently the same as the ls2

From what I read the compression would be close to 11.1. If I use the 799 heads instead of the 317 would my compression be too high for pump gas.

Also, I read that high compression might lead to "detonation". What does that mean?
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Should be fine. I have 11.5 compression on my 6.0 LQ9 and have no detonation on 93 octane
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What size cam are you running?

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Should be fine. I have 11.5 compression on my 6.0 LQ9 and have no detonation on 93 octane
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615 lift, 236/242 duration, 112 LSA
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Ok, that's a much bigger cam than I was going to use. Do you have any problem with valvle clearance? If yours a daily driver or track? Thanks

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I doubt your compression would be that high..closer 10.8:1 depending on head gaskets you use.Your fine for pump gas regardless just use premium fuel and a good tune.
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No clearance issues but I have flat top pistons with built in valve reliefs. Also it's just a weekend toy
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OP, to answer the final question of your post, detonation is when the fuel mixture starts to burn before the spark plug fires. The heat of compressing the mixture can be enough to cause it.

On a LS motor, if you are around 11:1 compression, you should be fine. Just run premium gas. Lots of us run 11.5:1, and that just requires knowing your cam specs very well
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Originally Posted by jcparmley
Hello

I have a lead on a set of 799 heads. My concern is with my set up can I still run on pump gas. The engine will go into my 95 firebird convertible which is currently a 3.4 5 speed dog. This will be a fair weather driver. No track time. I am looking for a fun car I can be proud of. I drive a minivan most days. Here is what the engine would look like with the 799's.

Lq4 block
Lq9 Pistons
Ls6 Intake, with ported TB
I will need a different cam because the lq4 cam is for a truck. Here are the specs of the cam I was looking at.

Tick Performance ls2 street heat stage 1 229/232 | .619”/.600” | LSA113+3

From what I understand the specs of this build would be essently the same as the ls2

From what I read the compression would be close to 11.1. If I use the 799 heads instead of the 317 would my compression be too high for pump gas.

Also, I read that high compression might lead to "detonation". What does that mean?
What transmission, rear gear, vehicle weight and tire size?
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The "truck cam" in the LQ4 is I believe the same as the late LS1.
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
The "truck cam" in the LQ4 is I believe the same as the late LS1.
Yup and that "truck" cam is better than the mild sbc cams people would go with not too long ago. I ran 12.20 in the 1/4 with just a mailorder tuned lq4 , all stock including that truck cam you(OP) speak of.
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Originally Posted by jcparmley
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I have a lead on a set of 799 heads. My concern is with my set up can I still run on pump gas. The engine will go into my 95 firebird convertible which is currently a 3.4 5 speed dog. This will be a fair weather driver. No track time. I am looking for a fun car I can be proud of. I drive a minivan most days. Here is what the engine would look like with the 799's.

Lq4 block
Lq9 Pistons
Ls6 Intake, with ported TB
I will need a different cam because the lq4 cam is for a truck. Here are the specs of the cam I was looking at.

Tick Performance ls2 street heat stage 1 229/232 | .619”/.600” | LSA113+3

From what I understand the specs of this build would be essently the same as the ls2

From what I read the compression would be close to 11.1. If I use the 799 heads instead of the 317 would my compression be too high for pump gas.

Also, I read that high compression might lead to "detonation". What does that mean?
An LQ4 with LS6 heads is 10.14:1. No worries at all on even the cheap pump gas. An LQ9 with LS6 heads is 10.88:1. Same as an LS2 no problem with premium fuel. Could probably run the cheap stuff too in a pinch.
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Like others have mentioned. You should be fine on pump gas with your combination.



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I will be running the t56 6 speed with 3.42 limited slip. I am not sure what size the tires are.

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What transmission, rear gear, vehicle weight and tire size?
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So you ran the stock truck cam in your car? How did it feel down low? Was it zippy off the line with all that tourque? thanks

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Yup and that "truck" cam is better than the mild sbc cams people would go with not too long ago. I ran 12.20 in the 1/4 with just a mailorder tuned lq4 , all stock including that truck cam you(OP) speak of.
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Originally Posted by jcparmley
So you ran the stock truck cam in your car? How did it feel down low? Was it zippy off the line with all that tourque? thanks
Yup very zippy, I have a th400 3 speed automatic and 1st gear is absolutely useless from any speed, just spins both tires instantly. On cooler nights rolling from 2nd gear also spins a little bit, enough to throw it sideways. I ran a 1.67 60 foot, 7.72 second 1/8 mile footbraking a $299 torque converter at 2500 rpm, that should give you some indication of acceleration and top end isn't too bad. Still pulls around 5500 rpm and isn't too too bad at 6k either. Obviously a larger cam would help in all parts of the rpm range especially top end but with a tune, the 01+ lq4 is not too bad as is. My car is light though, 3064 lbs.

Disregard my mph in my sig as it's misleading due to a headwind, it should have been about 111-112 but that's how weather goes on track days.

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With me the weight is 3229 lbs. My friend's setup is nearly identical except his weighs 200 lbs more. Same stock 2005 lq4 but with a much more expensive torque converter (3500 stall) and holley LS tuned, he ran 12.18 in the 1/4 mile. Same rear gears but 4l80 trans.

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Originally Posted by jcparmley
I will be running the t56 6 speed with 3.42 limited slip. I am not sure what size the tires are.
Assuming it weighs roughly 3500-3600 lbs., my recommendation would be as follows:

226/232 .612/.595 112+2

This camshaft would be ground with my IP/XP lobe combination on either a Cam Motion 5150 or 8620 cam core. I do recommend the 8620 cam core as well.

This cam would be very fun to drive and would have a powerband of roughly 2200-6600 RPM. Good power at low engine speeds, strong mid-range and enough top end pull for those long stretches of open highway we often encounter out in "Mexico" ....
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Originally Posted by jcparmley
So you ran the stock truck cam in your car? How did it feel down low? Was it zippy off the line with all that tourque? thanks

Are you still missing the fact it is an LS1 cam, not a "truck? cam?
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