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Old Dec 9, 2015 | 07:39 PM
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Default Lets talk LQ4 rod bolts.

I've decided to rebuild my LQ4 and I didn't realize that the stock bolts are TTY. I already have a new crankshaft with bearings, so resizing the rods is out. From what I understand, that puts the katech and ARP bolts out. I can get LS6 bolts, but will they fit? I have zero intentions of spinning this car over 6500 RPM.

Is there any other option that I am missing?
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My understanding is that once the caps are cracked resizing is best.
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My understanding is that once the caps are cracked resizing is best.
That's the problem, I am not finding anything specific, which pisses me right the hell off. Some people say to reuse the stock ones, some say to use ARP without machining, some say that you can't.

From what I understand the different clamping forces are what distorts the rods, not the removal.
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There is a GM procedure for retorquing them for reuse I believe.

My roommates trans am had the ls1 rebuilt many years ago and his were re-used. So far there has been no issue with it in the RPM range you are talking about.
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Old Dec 10, 2015 | 09:03 PM
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This is what I'm using on my 5.3 build.

http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...MobileSwitchNo
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Originally Posted by parrisw
This is what I'm using on my 5.3 build.

http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...MobileSwitchNo


Hinson has them for $88.00...and, they are a vender/sponsor on here...


Hinson ARP rod bolts
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Old Dec 10, 2015 | 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CattleAc
Hinson has them for $88.00...and, they are a vender/sponsor on here...


Hinson ARP rod bolts
Didn't buy from summit. Just used for reference. I bought them locally.
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Originally Posted by thunderstruck507
There is a GM procedure for retorquing them for reuse I believe.

My roommates trans am had the ls1 rebuilt many years ago and his were re-used. So far there has been no issue with it in the RPM range you are talking about.
Yep, this is likely what I am going to do. So much misinformation and opinion out there. GM says it's good, who am I to argue.

Originally Posted by parrisw
This is what I'm using on my 5.3 build.

http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...MobileSwitchNo
I wouldn't have a problem with those, but they change the clamping force and the rods need to be machined.

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Hinson has them for $88.00...and, they are a vender/sponsor on here...


Hinson ARP rod bolts
Much better price.
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Yep, this is likely what I am going to do. So much misinformation and opinion out there. GM says it's good, who am I to argue.



I wouldn't have a problem with those, but they change the clamping force and the rods need to be machined.



Much better price.
Crap didn't know that. From what I read in the service info from GM. It says to replace the rod bolts. The clamping force will change when reusing rod bolts, since they've been stretched before. Someone told me that they just re-torqued the stock bolts to 35ft lbs, and has had no issues.
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Originally Posted by parrisw
Crap didn't know that. From what I read in the service info from GM. It says to replace the rod bolts. The clamping force will change when reusing rod bolts, since they've been stretched before. Someone told me that they just re-torqued the stock bolts to 35ft lbs, and has had no issues.
I've done a ton of research on this over the week. The stock bolts aren't stretch bolts, they just get torqued like stretch bolts. A lot of people don't even bother with machining the rods with the ARP hardware, but everyone, including ARP, says you have to.
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Originally Posted by JC316
I've done a ton of research on this over the week. The stock bolts aren't stretch bolts, they just get torqued like stretch bolts. A lot of people don't even bother with machining the rods with the ARP hardware, but everyone, including ARP, says you have to.
Ya allot of people do allot of things that arnt 100% to the manual, or as a machinist says you should, and never have problems. My guess is that the clearance will still be fine with ARP and no resize.

The factory repair does say to replace the bolts. No disputing that.
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Old Dec 11, 2015 | 12:50 PM
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I used ARP's without re-sizing, spun the engine to 6700 daily for 5 years.. will have a video of what the bearings look like here in a week or so.. the engine is out.. alls iv gotta do is make the video, iv only looked at #8 rod and #5 main, i also have ARP main studs.. both bearings looked fine.. except for the dirt contamination, there was no uneven or unusual wear..
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Old Dec 11, 2015 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by the404man
I used ARP's without re-sizing, spun the engine to 6700 daily for 5 years.. will have a video of what the bearings look like here in a week or so.. the engine is out.. alls iv gotta do is make the video, iv only looked at #8 rod and #5 main, i also have ARP main studs.. both bearings looked fine.. except for the dirt contamination, there was no uneven or unusual wear..
Good to hear!!! I'm doing the same.
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Those who MEASURE find the big ends out of round. Yes folks have blindly run with replaced bolts and been OK but that doesn't mean there was no distortion.
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Originally Posted by parrisw
Good to hear!!! I'm doing the same.
Note: I used the SUM-900015 rod bolt stretch gauge.. the cheapest from summitracing, it was hard to use but worked, also i used the ARP-134-6006 rod bolts ..

Though iv rebuilt a 5.3 and used the stock rod bolts for a second time, got the engine running today, spun it to 6500 a few times and seemed fine.. so far haha..
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Old Dec 11, 2015 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by the404man
Note: I used the SUM-900015 rod bolt stretch gauge.. the cheapest from summitracing, it was hard to use but worked, also i used the ARP-134-6006 rod bolts ..

Though iv rebuilt a 5.3 and used the stock rod bolts for a second time, got the engine running today, spun it to 6500 a few times and seemed fine.. so far haha..
ARP instructions say to torque to 40ft lbs if you don't have a stretch gauge
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It's really simple, if you want to use ARP bolts, you must check the rods. If they require a hone, you must do it. Many have required a hone with just reusing the STOCK bolts. Again you must check. You aren't building a house, where close enough is good.
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Old Dec 12, 2015 | 07:53 AM
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You aren't building a house, where close enough is good.
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