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Old Jun 22, 2016 | 07:50 PM
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I'm coming up with 1.329 piston height on my stock lq4 9.240 deck height. The piston spec says 1.331 compression height. How much is piston out of hole?
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Compression distance is the distance from the center axis of the wristpin to the flat deck of the top of the piston. If yours is measured at 1.329, you're using stock length rods, and the deck is indeed 9.240 then the math is as follows

1/2 stroke=1.811
rod length=6.098
compressin height=1.329
total=9.238

That means the piston is in the hole .002

As with any factory machining process, there is variance. I would doublecheck deck height to be sure.

Most aftermarket rods are offered in 6.100 length vs the factory 6.098. In this case, this would move you up the perfect amount to fill the gap.

The best way to check actual values would be to just use a deck bridge and a degree wheel.
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Old Jun 23, 2016 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by MaroonMonsterLS1
Compression distance is the distance from the center axis of the wristpin to the flat deck of the top of the piston. If yours is measured at 1.329, you're using stock length rods, and the deck is indeed 9.240 then the math is as follows

1/2 stroke=1.811
rod length=6.098
compressin height=1.329
total=9.238
That means the piston is in the hole .002

As with any factory machining process, there is variance. I would doublecheck deck height to be sure.

Most aftermarket rods are offered in 6.100 length vs the factory 6.098. In this case, this would move you up the perfect amount to fill the gap.

The best way to check actual values would be to just use a deck bridge and a degree wheel.
Wells I'm coming up with the same 1.329 using 6.100 rods 9.240=deck
6.100=rod
1.811=stroke
1.329=Compression height
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Right, your math adds up. In that case, the piston would be even with the hole if you're using 6.100 rods.

I was under the impression you had measured your piston compression height and the value you measured was 1.329. If the measurement for the piston matches the spec of 1.331, then the piston will be OUT of the hole .002
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I don't think the LQ4 blocks are 9.240", more like 9.230". My rotating assembly stacked up to 9.230" on my iron 6.0L block and ended up pretty much zero deck when I mocked it all up.
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^^that's why i advise using a deck bridge. It's the only way to be truly confident in what you're getting. If this block wasn't exactly factory spec off the line, if it has been milled or resurfaced before,etc. you'll have different numbers.

Factory spec was 9.240 +/- .005
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Originally Posted by MaroonMonsterLS1
^^that's why i advise using a deck bridge. It's the only way to be truly confident in what you're getting. If this block wasn't exactly factory spec off the line, if it has been milled or resurfaced before,etc. you'll have different numbers.

Factory spec was 9.240 +/- .005
Like I was saying, I think the iron 6.0L blocks were all 9.230" rather than 9.240" like other blocks. Wiseco even mentions this in their piston catalog when considering deck heights. I saw the same on mine and it was a bone stock engine when I took it apart.
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I haven't seen enough to really disagree with you, but I'm just going off of GM spec for what it "should" be. Direct GM replacement block for lq9 says 9.240 deck. I believe every block in this family (except the LSX) share a common deck height. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/nal-12572808

I have also found that Weisco mentions the 9.230 for 6.0 iron blocks, but what I find from GM is different, and weisco is the only manufacturer I've seen that lists that outright. Lunati and others list it as 9.240.

If the iron blocks had 9.230 deck, the pistons would be WAY out of the hole wouldn't they?
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Originally Posted by MaroonMonsterLS1
If the iron blocks had 9.230 deck, the pistons would be WAY out of the hole wouldn't they?
Yep, exactly.
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So if the deck is 9.230 what pistons can I use? I just bought the speed pro pistons this week. Would they work r not?
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Which pistons? link? what's their compression height?
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https://m.summitracing.com/parts/slp-h1129cpa75mm 1.325 compression height
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1.811+6.098+1.325=9.234
thats .004 out of the hole with a 9.230 deck
or .006 in the hole with a 9.240 deck
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.004 out of hole is that safe
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Should be very safe, most stock LS1's are .008 out of the hole. Ultimately It will depend on your head gasket thickness. With steel rods, shoot for around .030 squish/quench.
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How much an issue safely mill 243 heads without fly cutting pistons
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Depends on cam. Duration, lift, ICL, LSA, all change ptv clearance. Even with cam, it's pretty hard to give you a good estimate. Most people will tell you to just clay check.
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