98blackSS

You're right, it's not a good performer at all..

http://www.rrheads.com/joeproject.html

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Raven

Can't argue with that time <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

<img border="0" alt="[gruffy cottonball]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_gruffy.gif" />

BigPlanTransAm

if you have the right valvetrain what is bad about spinning the motor to arround 7,000rpm? is it just the additional power or something else? also, i like the sound of a lopey cam but i have an A4. what kind of problems do people get with that combination? i am probably going to do a heads/cam job in the future and since cams are so much cheaper i figured i would do a cam first and then heads when i got the money.
btw: this car is my daily driver and i want it to look/sound great as well as run with some of the big boys. for you guys who say no to hotcam, what would you reccomend(i still need to pass the sniffer)?

mikemodano9c

TR224 on a 114 would be nice choice...

I've seen different results with the hotcam...but different motors make different power before internal work...ive seen 350 to 400 with stock heads with a hotcam (one guy i know claims to have made 400 with one w/full boltons)

(by see i mean see people posting their numbers)

Joe Dirt

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Raven99:
<strong> Can't argue with that time <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

<img border="0" alt="[gruffy cottonball]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_gruffy.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">11.64 Yeah, that's pretty good for a bolt-on car...but wait, this car has heads/cam too! Say, don't we have bolt-on cars running almost a half second quicker than that? Nevermind, I guess 11.64 isn't very impressive for a bolt-on car anymore. It's still good, but not great...for a bolt-on car that is.

381 RWHP? Sounds like it could be a bolt-on car with a REALLY weak heads/cam combo that somehow managed to only add 20 RWHP. PLEASE tell me this car didn't have head work too? That would be so sad. <img border="0" alt="[cry]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" />

You guys are way to easily impressed. <img border="0" alt="[boring]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" />

TaTommyWS6

For me, Hotcam is the logical choice:
Reliability, Lope, Inexpensive, Low rpm requirements, Reliability of LS6 Springs. Great!

Tommy <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

<small>[ March 19, 2003, 06:56 PM: Message edited by: TaTommyWS6 ]</small>

nthnwbr

Question for Joe Dirt: Do you argue just for the hell of it, or are you really that arrogant? Of course there are cams that make more power...but you will pay for them, more money, more engine wear, more fuel consumption...etc. Unless you have the biggest cam in production, with a perfectly tuned engine combonation, there will always be cams with more power.

And I agree with CW 99 Z, if you can make the LS1 hotcam run in an LT1, you can have my car too. Hell, there are Chevy and Ford cams with the same specs, does that mean all the Ford cams were designed for Chevys?

Joe Dirt

"Do you argue just for the hell of it"

LOL! Actually, yes...well, for that reason and also to dispell ignorance. It tickles me pink for folks to actually get truthful information rather than bent misinformation based on ones personnal feelings, ignorance, or just outright stupidity.

"Of course there are cams that make more power...but you will pay for them, more money, more engine wear, more fuel consumption"

Do you really believe this line of ****? Lemme ask YOU a question...Do you bring toothpicks to swordfights just because you love an impossible challenge or are you just that ignorant? <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />

There are PLENTY of cams that can give you equal or better MPG (and, is that what we're really after when we install an aftermarket cam anyway? I mean, who the hell shops for a cam based on MPG? Grasping at straws now are we?) with no more engine wear (have you been around long enough to know about the huge lot of non-heat treated Hotcams that were sold to thousands of unfortunate Hotcam Heros?) than the mighty Hotcam. Assuming you keep the same shift points, why would the engine see noticably greater wear with a better camshaft? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

And yes, I do agree (for about the 3rd or 4th time in this silly thread) that YOU WILL PAY MORE for the better cams. Got any more news for me? <img border="0" alt="[boring]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" />

The Dragon

iTrader: (6)

Joe sounds like a troll.

jacksonsz1998 or anybody else in this thread: if you want to buy my brand new, never been installed, ASA Hotcam (which performs better than the reg Hotcam) you can have it for $175 you pay shipping <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
How's that for pricey <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

As far as reliability (I didn't read all of the above posts so someone may have touched on this one), the fact that the lift is considerably low, .525 I think, makes for valvetrain-friendly performance <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

It's on a 110 LSA BTW.

<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

BTW: I didn't want that mean of a lope so I went with a relatively smaller cam with a 112 LSA <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

<small>[ March 20, 2003, 10:48 PM: Message edited by: The Dragon ]</small>

Joe Dirt

"Joe sounds like a troll."

Nah, trolls spout of incorrect things. Thus far, no one in this thread has so much as made an attempt to refute any fact I've stated (feel free to try though.) The only incorrect info has been spouted by others...but I don't care to classify them as being trolls (they just didn't know any better.)

BTW, you sound like someone trying to dish off another Hotcam (oh, excuse me, an ASA Hotcam!) <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />

Bluestreak

<img src="http://www.sdplastics.com/dedhorse.gif" alt=" - " />

Wow... just when you thought the hot cam debate was over and that was all there was to be said... *trumpets*... our hero, Joe comes along to educate us all! You've certainly beaten this dead horse... excellent job, buddy.

Guys... don't feed the trolls and they'll go away.

Joe Dirt

Ya know, when I first entered this thread I was thinking that it was indeed a dead horse. But, be as it may, I figured "what the heck?" There are newbies born everyday and they need to be armed with the power of knowledge to make good informed decisions. What's a dead horse to me may be a sprinting stallion to them. So, out with my ignorance busting stick I came! <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" /> Looking back on it, I only wish I could take the credit for starting this fine thread.

Glad I could help but you really don't have to call me "hero". <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="gr_emb.gif" /> Makes me feel all warm and tingly inside. <img src="http://www.clicksmilie.de/sammlung/liebe/liebe011.gif" alt=" - " />

KRAZY K 2000 TA

iTrader: (5)

we are talking about the best bang for the buck ,the hot cam is a good deal but i think i'll save a few more dollars and go with something thats going to make me happy <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> in the end after all a cam change is not that easy <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> and companies like LGM,THUNDER,ETC sell some fine cams for decent prices

Joe Dirt

"we are talking about the best bang for the buck ,the hot cam is a good deal"

I agree. For some reason that fact keeps getting lost in people's frustrations. It is cheap and makes descent power. That means a good bang for the buck.

"but i think i'll save a few more dollars and go with something thats going to make me happy in the end after all a cam change is not that easy and companies like LGM,THUNDER,ETC sell some fine cams for decent prices"


I think you are looking at this very wisely. How many times do we see people swapping out 2800-3000 converters for 3500-4000 converters? MOST everyone ends up with a converter that is 3500+ eventually. Why didn't they do it to begin with? They just didn't know any better. That's what we're here to do. Help people make better informed decisions so that they don't waste their money redoing stuff later on when they realize that they aren't satisfied. The same goes with cams. Doing it right once is always cheaper than doing it twice. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

<small>[ March 21, 2003, 11:16 AM: Message edited by: Joe Dirt ]</small>

last of the Z28's

no highjacking here but if bang for the buck is the issue...what about an ls6 cam? decent idle? what puts down more ponies hotcam or an ls6 cam? im looking into cams myself. heads are way down the road but a cam might be coming up. reliability is first an foremost. i want to drive to and from the track. not trailer or tow it home! thanks

KRAZY K 2000 TA

iTrader: (5)

I have not seen any dyno numbers with the LS6 cam is the benefit of that cam worth the effort or am i just ill informed <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[chug]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_chug.gif" />

Cal

iTrader: (1)

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by last of the Z28's:
<strong> no highjacking here but if bang for the buck is the issue...what about an ls6 cam? decent idle? what puts down more ponies hotcam or an ls6 cam? im looking into cams myself. heads are way down the road but a cam might be coming up. reliability is first an foremost. i want to drive to and from the track. not trailer or tow it home! thanks </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm sure the HotCam will produce more power than a LS6 cam, but the HotCam will lope like mad while the LS6 cam sounds stock. Both cams should be very reliable with the right springs.

<small>[ March 21, 2003, 11:52 AM: Message edited by: Cal ]</small>

jacksonsz1998

joe THE DRAGON hey is that just the cam or is ot the cam and springs? send me and e-mail. jacksonsz1998@yahoo.com

JAS

sniff sniff sniff...

Tony is that you... I mean Joe. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />

LOLs

Most of the bad rap the HotCam got from guys was before tuning was widely available (LS1Edit).

The designed for the LT1 remark always cracks me up. This coming from a Joe that's here to dispell ignorance... <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />

I will say, that if you want a high dyno # queen, then yes the Hotcam is probably not for you. But as "Joe" put it, dyno queens usually don't run well at the track. It's always fun to watch a HotCam only 6-speed beat up on a full heads and cam car here locally. (similar weight cars) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

I know "Joe" it's not possible because this is "NET LAND." <img border="0" alt="[chug]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_chug.gif" />

Joe Dirt

"The designed for the LT1 remark always cracks me up."

You have quite the imaginative sense of humor...and that's a good thing if you enjoy laughing in the face of reality. <img src="http://forums.off-topic.net/images/smilies/slap.gif" alt=" - " />


Same specs. GM's multi-million dollar research led them to the same cam specs for both engines. My my my...what a heck of a coincidence! Say, I've got this ocean front property in Baghdad... <img border="0" alt="[USA]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" />