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03-21-2003, 02:43 PM
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Re: gm hot cam? LOL! Sorry Mr. Skiba, but there are thousands of people out there that dislike the NOTcam, not just myself. There is no denying the facts that the specs ARE the same as the LT4 hotcam (how lazy of GM) and that the idle quality is worse than dozens of other cams that make MORE power. The ONLY benefit of the hotcam is the cheap price, and that is it.
Does it make more power than stock? Sure.
Could you make more power with other cams and have better drivability too? Damn right!
And yes, I know there are some good running cars out there with the hotcam in them, but imagine how they would be running with a better cam <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Tony
Does it make more power than stock? Sure.
Could you make more power with other cams and have better drivability too? Damn right!
And yes, I know there are some good running cars out there with the hotcam in them, but imagine how they would be running with a better cam <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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03-21-2003, 03:21 PM
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Re: gm hot cam? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Nine Ball:
<strong> The ONLY benefit of the hotcam is the cheap price, and that is it.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's just not correct. One MAJOR reason people are running hotcam is because it is "Safer" and easier on their valvetrain. It it extremely unlikely you will ever break an LS6 spring with the hotcam.
That seems like a benefit to me! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />
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<strong> The ONLY benefit of the hotcam is the cheap price, and that is it.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's just not correct. One MAJOR reason people are running hotcam is because it is "Safer" and easier on their valvetrain. It it extremely unlikely you will ever break an LS6 spring with the hotcam.
That seems like a benefit to me! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />
Tommy <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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Re: gm hot cam? Not wanting to upgrade to good springs...uhh, call me crazy but wouldn't that be, yet again, a PRICE benefit? I think you just re-interated (sp???) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Nineball's point.
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Re: gm hot cam? everyone keeps saying that the hotcam idles bad??????? surely you aren't refering to the lope, cause i personally think that's the best part. the extra power, valvetrain reliability, and price are just hella cool extras.
perhaps some of you should learn to distinguish between fact and opinion/ objective and subjective
perhaps some of you should learn to distinguish between fact and opinion/ objective and subjective
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Re: gm hot cam? You know I usually don't get involved with things like this but....
No I won't say what I really think.
You're right zTrackerz, I won't go there. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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<small>[ March 21, 2003, 04:36 PM: Message edited by: XLR8NSS ]</small>
No I won't say what I really think.
You're right zTrackerz, I won't go there. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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<small>[ March 21, 2003, 04:36 PM: Message edited by: XLR8NSS ]</small>
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Re: gm hot cam? Ah name calling and bashing each other.... I thought this was a tech board???????? Moderator UP!!!
To be quiet frank, I visit a few other boards and I am tired of this cam thing.... What's the best cam for me? Or help me pick a cam... And this Hot cam thing every few days... Ahhhhhhhhhh <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" />
I agree with nineball... Personally, in my opinion, key word here is opinion, the hot cam is cheap and offers a performance increase. Yes it is easy on the valve train also. But there are better cams out there that offer better performance, idle quality ( or lope if you like), and are valve train friendly.
I personally wouldn't waste my money on a LS6 cam or hot cam...
<small>[ March 21, 2003, 04:39 PM: Message edited by: zTrackerz ]</small>
To be quiet frank, I visit a few other boards and I am tired of this cam thing.... What's the best cam for me? Or help me pick a cam... And this Hot cam thing every few days... Ahhhhhhhhhh <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" />
I agree with nineball... Personally, in my opinion, key word here is opinion, the hot cam is cheap and offers a performance increase. Yes it is easy on the valve train also. But there are better cams out there that offer better performance, idle quality ( or lope if you like), and are valve train friendly.
I personally wouldn't waste my money on a LS6 cam or hot cam...
<small>[ March 21, 2003, 04:39 PM: Message edited by: zTrackerz ]</small>
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Re: gm hot cam? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Nine Ball:
<strong> LOL! Sorry Mr. Skiba, but there are thousands of people out there that dislike the NOTcam, not just myself. There is no denying the facts that the specs ARE the same as the LT4 hotcam (how lazy of GM) and that the idle quality is worse than dozens of other cams that make MORE power. The ONLY benefit of the hotcam is the cheap price, and that is it.
Does it make more power than stock? Sure.
Could you make more power with other cams and have better drivability too? Damn right!
And yes, I know there are some good running cars out there with the hotcam in them, but imagine how they would be running with a better cam <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Tony </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Gee Nineball, aren't we FULL of ourselves! I just can't believe that you think your are the ONLY Tony on this board!!!! (Feeling guilty are we these days?) Its also good to know that as an OWNER you feel the need to uses peoples full names instead of their handles just because I push your buttons so easily. <img border="0" alt="[rainbow]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_rainbow.gif" /> Maybe when you turn 32 Tony you will realize the world doesn't revolve around your 60psi head and LS1tech.com .
My bad. Now I remember why I never post here anymore. To many people with heads that are ready to <img border="0" alt="[bomb]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bomb.gif" /> they are so full of themselves.
It's a shame that a owner/moderator here has to be a "Joe" to rip on the HotCam again. <img border="0" alt="[rainbow]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_rainbow.gif" />
Hey Tony, why don't you use their real name?!?!?!?
Hell, if you guys want to rip on stuff and stir up some controversy, what the hell ever happened to Yank? LOLs <img border="0" alt="[gruffy cottonball]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_gruffy.gif" />
In fact NINEBALL, you can do something for me. Please PERMANENTLY BAN my IP address and username!!! <img border="0" alt="[USA]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" />
<strong> LOL! Sorry Mr. Skiba, but there are thousands of people out there that dislike the NOTcam, not just myself. There is no denying the facts that the specs ARE the same as the LT4 hotcam (how lazy of GM) and that the idle quality is worse than dozens of other cams that make MORE power. The ONLY benefit of the hotcam is the cheap price, and that is it.
Does it make more power than stock? Sure.
Could you make more power with other cams and have better drivability too? Damn right!
And yes, I know there are some good running cars out there with the hotcam in them, but imagine how they would be running with a better cam <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Tony </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Gee Nineball, aren't we FULL of ourselves! I just can't believe that you think your are the ONLY Tony on this board!!!! (Feeling guilty are we these days?) Its also good to know that as an OWNER you feel the need to uses peoples full names instead of their handles just because I push your buttons so easily. <img border="0" alt="[rainbow]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_rainbow.gif" /> Maybe when you turn 32 Tony you will realize the world doesn't revolve around your 60psi head and LS1tech.com .
My bad. Now I remember why I never post here anymore. To many people with heads that are ready to <img border="0" alt="[bomb]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bomb.gif" /> they are so full of themselves.
It's a shame that a owner/moderator here has to be a "Joe" to rip on the HotCam again. <img border="0" alt="[rainbow]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_rainbow.gif" />
Hey Tony, why don't you use their real name?!?!?!?
Hell, if you guys want to rip on stuff and stir up some controversy, what the hell ever happened to Yank? LOLs <img border="0" alt="[gruffy cottonball]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_gruffy.gif" />
In fact NINEBALL, you can do something for me. Please PERMANENTLY BAN my IP address and username!!! <img border="0" alt="[USA]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" />
03-21-2003, 05:27 PM
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Re: gm hot cam? If you can't afford better valvesprings, which are all inexpensive in the first place and can save your entire engine, then you shouldn't even pop a valvecover off your car.
Good valvesprings are cheap insurance, why settle for the cheapest ones you can find? If you are worried about valvetrain life, I'd suggest you stick with bolt-ons and leave the internal engine modifications alone. I would plan on replacing the springs after a year of abuse no matter what you decide to go with.
Tony
Good valvesprings are cheap insurance, why settle for the cheapest ones you can find? If you are worried about valvetrain life, I'd suggest you stick with bolt-ons and leave the internal engine modifications alone. I would plan on replacing the springs after a year of abuse no matter what you decide to go with.
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03-21-2003, 09:37 PM
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Re: gm hot cam? Again everyone, just do what YOU want with your cars. We all have different perspectives, but I happen to like the GM Hotcam. And Joe Dirty's or 9B's opinion ain't gonna change my mind on this. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
03-22-2003, 12:39 AM
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Re: gm hot cam? I had a hot cam in a 2001 SS A4. It dynoed 348 with cam,lid,lts,and oryp through stock cat back. That is pretty decent. Cam loped really hard(no programming). Died at lights, but overall pretty good cam for the price.
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Re: gm hot cam? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Nine Ball:
<strong> If you can't afford better valvesprings, which are all inexpensive in the first place and can save your entire engine, then you shouldn't even pop a valvecover off your car.
Good valvesprings are cheap insurance, why settle for the cheapest ones you can find? If you are worried about valvetrain life, I'd suggest you stick with bolt-ons and leave the internal engine modifications alone. I would plan on replacing the springs after a year of abuse no matter what you decide to go with.
Tony </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well this is a load of crap. I have ran 11.87@113.55mph (1.59) with just a Yank 3500ST, FLP Headers, and a set of BFG 17in DR's on stock rims all the way around. Weight reduction consisted of spare/jack, rear seats, and sway bar. Very little mods and weight reduction. This car is daily driven. I looked for a cam spec that would not require me to replace "Good" springs every 6 months. Not much into pulling valve covers, and working a retainer tool in tight spots for hours just to replace "Good" springs because my .561 lift wore them out in 15,000 miles. As far as being cheap, at $250+ for some really good ones, I will pass. Big thumbs down here. I also like to remain on the durable side, with reliability. At .525 lift which is the same spec as an 01 LS6, you cannot go wrong for reliability. Don't buy into that crap that you have to have .561 lift and higher to make your car run. I was putting H/C cars to shame with my bolt-on car, now I am throwing the Hot Cam in there along with a set of ported and ploished stock heads. The car will still be very driveable and very reliable. This cam was made for the daily driver, not the garage queen.
<strong> If you can't afford better valvesprings, which are all inexpensive in the first place and can save your entire engine, then you shouldn't even pop a valvecover off your car.
Good valvesprings are cheap insurance, why settle for the cheapest ones you can find? If you are worried about valvetrain life, I'd suggest you stick with bolt-ons and leave the internal engine modifications alone. I would plan on replacing the springs after a year of abuse no matter what you decide to go with.
Tony </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well this is a load of crap. I have ran 11.87@113.55mph (1.59) with just a Yank 3500ST, FLP Headers, and a set of BFG 17in DR's on stock rims all the way around. Weight reduction consisted of spare/jack, rear seats, and sway bar. Very little mods and weight reduction. This car is daily driven. I looked for a cam spec that would not require me to replace "Good" springs every 6 months. Not much into pulling valve covers, and working a retainer tool in tight spots for hours just to replace "Good" springs because my .561 lift wore them out in 15,000 miles. As far as being cheap, at $250+ for some really good ones, I will pass. Big thumbs down here. I also like to remain on the durable side, with reliability. At .525 lift which is the same spec as an 01 LS6, you cannot go wrong for reliability. Don't buy into that crap that you have to have .561 lift and higher to make your car run. I was putting H/C cars to shame with my bolt-on car, now I am throwing the Hot Cam in there along with a set of ported and ploished stock heads. The car will still be very driveable and very reliable. This cam was made for the daily driver, not the garage queen.
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Re: gm hot cam? I was waiting for Joe to give a few recomendation's on a good cam with stock type idle,high power and torque with no tuning and maximum reliability.Then I would like a dyno sheet on his car and a mod list with 1/4 mile time's. <img border="0" alt="[boring]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" />
03-22-2003, 10:03 AM
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Re: gm hot cam? I gotta say one thing...
There's NOTHING wrong with the HOT cam.
I ran a similar 218-224-524-532 114 cam with stock heads,3600lb race weight and all the boltons.
Car ran CONSISTANT 11.75@114.
If u dont think thats good--->YOUR CRACKERS!!!
The nice thing about the HOT is,good value,good longevity and not having to shift your car higher than 6400 with pretty good performance.
Its a win/win cam,plus it sounds badass.
Sure there's better cams out there but for a guy looking for 11.50/12.00 (STOCK HEADS) and safe reliable power the HOT rocks.
JS
I wanna try the ASA <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
<small>[ March 22, 2003, 10:04 AM: Message edited by: JS ]</small>
There's NOTHING wrong with the HOT cam.
I ran a similar 218-224-524-532 114 cam with stock heads,3600lb race weight and all the boltons.
Car ran CONSISTANT 11.75@114.
If u dont think thats good--->YOUR CRACKERS!!!
The nice thing about the HOT is,good value,good longevity and not having to shift your car higher than 6400 with pretty good performance.
Its a win/win cam,plus it sounds badass.
Sure there's better cams out there but for a guy looking for 11.50/12.00 (STOCK HEADS) and safe reliable power the HOT rocks.
JS
I wanna try the ASA <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
<small>[ March 22, 2003, 10:04 AM: Message edited by: JS ]</small>
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Re: gm hot cam? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Joe Dirt:
<strong>
BTW, you sound like someone trying to dish off another Hotcam (oh, excuse me, an ASA Hotcam!) <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually, I explained why I went with a different cam . . . guess you missed that <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
To anyone curious, the ASA with my heads made 417 rwhp un-tuned on a '00 C5 M6.
I made 400 rwhp un-tuned with my current set-up minus the new lid <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
I'm fairly certain I'd make more power and have better performance with that cam, but I stated why I chose a different one.
<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
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<strong>
BTW, you sound like someone trying to dish off another Hotcam (oh, excuse me, an ASA Hotcam!) <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually, I explained why I went with a different cam . . . guess you missed that <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
To anyone curious, the ASA with my heads made 417 rwhp un-tuned on a '00 C5 M6.
I made 400 rwhp un-tuned with my current set-up minus the new lid <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
I'm fairly certain I'd make more power and have better performance with that cam, but I stated why I chose a different one.
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Re: gm hot cam? Well for what it's worth I will give my input on the hotcam. It's an awesome cam and like most have said there are other cams out there that will make more power. I went 11.3@120 with a 1.56 60' on BFG Drag Radials at 3600+ pound raceweight at a DA of 1100+ Feet. I'm pretty happy myself and the same guy Joe Riggs rrheads.com did my heads and my car is no slouch.
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Re: gm hot cam? I should probably keep my nose out of this but with deals on the Hot and ASA Hot kits like the ones SDPC is now offering, I`m looking very hard at one myself. For the guy who realizes that he doesn`t have and never will have an endless money supply needed to run with the big boys, the guy who is lookig for a low maint. valve train (from what I hear anyway), and is just looking to set up a car to go 12.0`s to mid 11`s (not to mention throwing in a 75-125 shot in there every now and again), and if he knows tuning is basically a must (reguardless of whish cam you use), the Hot cams don`t seem like that bad of an idea IMHO. I thought I remembered hearing some good #`s from a guy with the ASA Hot cam and a set of stock `01 LS6 heads putting up some nice ET`s a while back. I think I might just give that a try. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: gm hot cam? I try my best to stay out of these threads, because I think they are counter productive as a hole, but here is my .02. The hot cam is very good for what it was intended.( relatively cheap, decent increase in H.P., easy on the valve train, and an aggressive sound,) If you want a drag car it is not the cam for you. You guys that say spend more money. Where do you draw the line????? CNC head 6.0 block, stroker crank???? The list goes on. And after you do all that what are you going to say when some beater chevy II with half as much into his car blows your doors off?........... Good bang for the buck. If you have deep pockets there are better choices
03-23-2003, 01:07 PM
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Re: gm hot cam? I'll just throw in my 2 cents.
I used to be, and still am, a big hotcam fan.
Reason #1- The valvetrain didnt sound like a sewing machine. Trying to keep your vehicle as refined and reliable as possible may sound like a "grandpa" pursuit, but it still important to some of us. Subsequent cams made significantly more noise in the cabin through the same valvetrain. Was it worth the possible 0-10 hp that other cams have said to be worth? Im not sure thats a given. Your individual call.
Reason #2- (sorry about the size)
<img src="http://www.nolke.com/syty/nextphase/TB-pulleyplot-lowres.jpg" alt=" - " />
My stock-heads dyno back in the days when we didnt have LS1Edit, we didnt have XE-R, we didnt have alot of things they have now. The Y-pipe that LG made me after I put on Stage 2 heads picked me up anywhere from 10-8 hp depending on the place in the curve. I maintain that I could have had 400+ rwhp corrected with that Y-pipe, and easily with LS1Edit. (pure supposition of course).
In regards to the LS1-LT1 connection....
The cams require different basecircles
LT1 lift is with 1.6, LS1 lift is with 1.7 ratio rockers.
Paceparts says the LT1 is 218/228, and the LS1 hotcam is 219/228. No big deal, but I dont think the cam is an LT1 cam <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Would I do it again? For the money and the valvetrain noise, yeah, I would. What do I have now? I just ordered an MTI X1... (but in a 387 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> )
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I used to be, and still am, a big hotcam fan.
Reason #1- The valvetrain didnt sound like a sewing machine. Trying to keep your vehicle as refined and reliable as possible may sound like a "grandpa" pursuit, but it still important to some of us. Subsequent cams made significantly more noise in the cabin through the same valvetrain. Was it worth the possible 0-10 hp that other cams have said to be worth? Im not sure thats a given. Your individual call.
Reason #2- (sorry about the size)
<img src="http://www.nolke.com/syty/nextphase/TB-pulleyplot-lowres.jpg" alt=" - " />
My stock-heads dyno back in the days when we didnt have LS1Edit, we didnt have XE-R, we didnt have alot of things they have now. The Y-pipe that LG made me after I put on Stage 2 heads picked me up anywhere from 10-8 hp depending on the place in the curve. I maintain that I could have had 400+ rwhp corrected with that Y-pipe, and easily with LS1Edit. (pure supposition of course).
In regards to the LS1-LT1 connection....
The cams require different basecircles
LT1 lift is with 1.6, LS1 lift is with 1.7 ratio rockers.
Paceparts says the LT1 is 218/228, and the LS1 hotcam is 219/228. No big deal, but I dont think the cam is an LT1 cam <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Would I do it again? For the money and the valvetrain noise, yeah, I would. What do I have now? I just ordered an MTI X1... (but in a 387 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> )
chris