Btr stage 4 VS ms4 ?
02-15-2017, 12:02 PM
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Btr stage 4 VS ms4 ? Plan on running one of these kits. Plan on sticking with ported and polished 853 heads. Pro and cons for both kits. Any info is helpful.
2000 camaro z28. Ls1
2000 camaro z28. Ls1
02-15-2017, 12:09 PM
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What are you using the car for? Is it and auto or 6 speed? If auto, what converter will you run? What gears? Do you have all the right supporting mods for these cams? Need more info about the build.
If you want to run the biggest cam possible go for it, but it'll probably drive pretty crappy and be a dog down low if that's your intention.
If you want to run the biggest cam possible go for it, but it'll probably drive pretty crappy and be a dog down low if that's your intention.
02-15-2017, 12:15 PM
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What are you using the car for? Is it and auto or 6 speed? If auto, what converter will you run? What gears? Do you have all the right supporting mods for these cams? Need more info about the build.
If you want to run the biggest cam possible go for it, but it'll probably drive pretty crappy and be a dog down low if that's your intention.
If you want to run the biggest cam possible go for it, but it'll probably drive pretty crappy and be a dog down low if that's your intention.
Auto. Fti 3200. 3.73? Maybe. Havent decided on gear. Ive read where btr isnt bad down low with a good tune.
02-15-2017, 12:31 PM
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Stage 2 sound just as choppy? Want a good sounding cam that makes decent power.
02-15-2017, 01:52 PM
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Chop is more in the tune than the cam itself.
Here is my truck with a baby 205/210 cam after some adjustments to idle RPM and timing:
Never buy a cam based on sound. If the rest of the build doesn't match it won't matter how much power it makes if it takes forever to get into power and/or you don't rev until it's finished.
My solid roller behaves like a 234/242 hydraulic cam...even in a LS2 which is larger and higher compression than the ls1 the car could stand to have more converter. I'm currently revving it to 7200rpm at the track.
Here is my roommates Cam Motion Titan IV which is extremely similar to the BTR Stage 2:
Here is my truck with a baby 205/210 cam after some adjustments to idle RPM and timing:
Never buy a cam based on sound. If the rest of the build doesn't match it won't matter how much power it makes if it takes forever to get into power and/or you don't rev until it's finished.
My solid roller behaves like a 234/242 hydraulic cam...even in a LS2 which is larger and higher compression than the ls1 the car could stand to have more converter. I'm currently revving it to 7200rpm at the track.
Here is my roommates Cam Motion Titan IV which is extremely similar to the BTR Stage 2:
02-15-2017, 02:17 PM
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I would go with the BTR Stage 2. It'll chop and lope fine.
I have a BTR Supercharger cam in my car. I had the equivalent of the Stage 4 before. The Stage 4 drove okay but I have a loose 4000 stall. I got rid of it because it did surge in traffic and I'm planning to supercharge the car. But the Supercharger cam (pretty similar to the Stage 2) lopes almost as hard and drives almost like stock. It would work with a tighter stall. The larger cam would need more stall.
I have a BTR Supercharger cam in my car. I had the equivalent of the Stage 4 before. The Stage 4 drove okay but I have a loose 4000 stall. I got rid of it because it did surge in traffic and I'm planning to supercharge the car. But the Supercharger cam (pretty similar to the Stage 2) lopes almost as hard and drives almost like stock. It would work with a tighter stall. The larger cam would need more stall.
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02-15-2017, 02:22 PM
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OMG another i want a choppy cam thread.... just unplug some spark plug wires and run it you will get your Chop chop.
on a side note. Sound like you don't have a plan for the set up. Cams like those need 4k stall and at least 3.73 gears and an ls6 intake at least.
on a side note. Sound like you don't have a plan for the set up. Cams like those need 4k stall and at least 3.73 gears and an ls6 intake at least.
02-15-2017, 02:26 PM
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Lol. Sorry for getting input and saying what id like out of it
02-15-2017, 02:53 PM
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The BTR4 has less intake duration than the MS4, but both cams have quite a bit of over overlap for an ls1 car. Around 16+ for the BTR4, and 18+ for the MS4. You definitely will want a larger stall and additional supporting mods to take full advantage of either of them. You could get a smaller cam with less overlap and make good power and it will still have a good choppy sound if that is what u r asking. Either way, I wouldnt run a 3200 stall with either of those.
If you are not changing anything except the cam, then like others have stated the BTR Stage 2 or something comparable to it will probably be a better choice for the mods you currently have.
If you are not changing anything except the cam, then like others have stated the BTR Stage 2 or something comparable to it will probably be a better choice for the mods you currently have.
02-19-2017, 08:56 AM
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I would go with the BTR Stage 2. It'll chop and lope fine.
I have a BTR Supercharger cam in my car. I had the equivalent of the Stage 4 before. The Stage 4 drove okay but I have a loose 4000 stall. I got rid of it because it did surge in traffic and I'm planning to supercharge the car. But the Supercharger cam (pretty similar to the Stage 2) lopes almost as hard and drives almost like stock. It would work with a tighter stall. The larger cam would need more stall.
I have a BTR Supercharger cam in my car. I had the equivalent of the Stage 4 before. The Stage 4 drove okay but I have a loose 4000 stall. I got rid of it because it did surge in traffic and I'm planning to supercharge the car. But the Supercharger cam (pretty similar to the Stage 2) lopes almost as hard and drives almost like stock. It would work with a tighter stall. The larger cam would need more stall.
02-19-2017, 10:57 AM
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No, I talked to Brian directly when I got my 227/244 cam.
I had talked to Geoff @ EPS when I got the 234/242. The 234 cam drove pretty good with a 4000 stall... but in traffic it was tiring. The 227/244 cam drives pretty much like stock.
I have a FAST 102/102 which makes any cam drive considerably worse than a stock TB. I spent just a few mins tuning idle and drivability with either cam... but spent 10X as long tuning the damn TB so the return to idle and things like that are correct. Part of that is the real time tuning options or lack thereof.
One thing I'd recommend for the Stage 4 is a lot of stall and/or gear. Keep it from falling under 1400 rpm with a load on it and it'll be fine. I'd run it in 3 (keep it out of OD on the 4L60) on my car in traffic to keep the RPMs up so I wouldn't have to deal with low RPM surge. That's the equivalent of driving an auto with 4.30s. So I'd almost recommend 3.90s or 4.10s and a 4000 stall with it.
I had talked to Geoff @ EPS when I got the 234/242. The 234 cam drove pretty good with a 4000 stall... but in traffic it was tiring. The 227/244 cam drives pretty much like stock.
I have a FAST 102/102 which makes any cam drive considerably worse than a stock TB. I spent just a few mins tuning idle and drivability with either cam... but spent 10X as long tuning the damn TB so the return to idle and things like that are correct. Part of that is the real time tuning options or lack thereof.
One thing I'd recommend for the Stage 4 is a lot of stall and/or gear. Keep it from falling under 1400 rpm with a load on it and it'll be fine. I'd run it in 3 (keep it out of OD on the 4L60) on my car in traffic to keep the RPMs up so I wouldn't have to deal with low RPM surge. That's the equivalent of driving an auto with 4.30s. So I'd almost recommend 3.90s or 4.10s and a 4000 stall with it.