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Old Mar 25, 2018 | 10:54 PM
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Just threw my cam in-wanted to make sure Ive got it right before I put it back together.
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Old Mar 25, 2018 | 11:11 PM
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Looks right to me!
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Old Mar 25, 2018 | 11:18 PM
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Yep! It's honestly kind of hard to screw that up. If you're off a tooth, you'll know it.
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Old Mar 26, 2018 | 07:23 AM
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Looks perfect. You're right on #1 & #6 TDC, at #6 firing. #1 is at the end of the exh stroke and start of int stroke. Which ultimately doesn't too much matter which instance of #1 TDC you're at because you don't have to stab a distributor.

Note also, the crank key is EXACTLY in line w the #1 rod throw (45 aka 1:30). When it points straight up the #1 cyl, it's at #1 TDC. A quick simple double-check.
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Old Mar 26, 2018 | 10:04 AM
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Where's your timing chain dampener? Its already predrilled and the covers off. Put one in.
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Hi Byrd, do as "spider" states., install a chain guide.

I NEVER TRUST "dots".

MY REASON is that I have often found errors with THIS method.

A MORE SIMPLE method is to check lifter travel on the "overlap" cylinder either #1 OR #6, the one with the TWO "proud" lifters.

That distance from the deck should be EQUAL.

Lance
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Old Mar 26, 2018 | 12:05 PM
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Where's your timing chain dampener? Its already predrilled and the covers off. Put one in.

is is it supposed to have one from the factory?
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Old Mar 26, 2018 | 12:24 PM
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is is it supposed to have one from the factory?
Some do, some don't. Either way, one should be put in.
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Old Mar 26, 2018 | 05:14 PM
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And of course they dont seem to make the dampeners for the earlier blocks anymore. From what Ive read the later ls2 dampeners have different spacing.
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If you say so...https://www.briantooleyracing.com/ls...-88958607.html
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Old Mar 26, 2018 | 05:57 PM
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ordered. Appreciate it!
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Yup...RDE is the ONLY place making them other than the trick flow bracket thingy.
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Old Mar 26, 2018 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
Yup...RDs the ONLY place making them other than the trick flow bracket thingy.
I saw the RDE on eBay for a couple dollars less than the Tooley but Ive never heard of them.
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I saw the RDE on eBay for a couple dollars less than the Tooley but Ive never heard of them.
Pretty sure Tooleys IS the RDE.
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Old Mar 29, 2018 | 02:48 PM
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The damper really just keeps the chain from whipping around at speed. Not like some other kinds of motors (N* is a good example, as well as some of the Frod ones) where the chain is "guided" in some other direction from where it would want to lie on its own.

The RDE definitely is off center on the stock bolt holes. The stock damper is asymmetric wrt the holes, the RDE is symmetric.
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Originally Posted by RB04Av
The damper really just keeps the chain from whipping around at speed. Not like some other kinds of motors (N* is a good example, as well as some of the Frod ones) where the chain is "guided" in some other direction from where it would want to lie on its own.

The RDE definitely is off center on the stock bolt holes. The stock damper is asymmetric wrt the holes, the RDE is symmetric.
Now that I think of it I must have had a stupid moment and put it on backwards. :/
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Hi ALL, as we see the OP was helped by the Chain Guide "tech", good work to ALL.

MY QUESTION is WHY the original request, the "dot/dot" DOUBLE CHECK was NEVER addressed ?

THIS thread is great, the subject, to request a SIMPLE way to perform a Dot/Dot verification.

Would there by something I am missing ?

Lance
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Originally Posted by Pantera EFI
Hi Byrd, do as "spider" states., install a chain guide.

I NEVER TRUST "dots".

MY REASON is that I have often found errors with THIS method.

A MORE SIMPLE method is to check lifter travel on the "overlap" cylinder either #1 OR #6, the one with the TWO "proud" lifters.

That distance from the deck should be EQUAL.

Lance
Would you mind elaborating further? I'm not familiar with this method and would like to learn. I'm unfamiliar with the terms overlap cylinder and proud lifter. Thanks in advance!
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Hi 351, I will state another VERY COMMON asked question here at LS-1 Tech as the example.
The Piston/Valve distance question is common : "is it safe" to run this camshaft ?

The cylinders are numbered with the piston position of #1 AND #6 being at TDC BOTH at the SAME TIME.
THUS one cylinder will be FIRING (compression) AND the other cylinder will have the inlet/exhaust valves "off the seat" OVERLAP.
This IS were the P/V distance is of CONCERN !

The Valve Lift is caused by the Camshaft Lobe Lift, an item that can be measured AT THE LIFTER.
The "proud" statement is ABOUT that distance "out" of the lifter bore with EASY MEASUREMENT from the crankcase deck/lifter plunger.

I measure with a Dial Indicator Gauge standing on the block deck with the shaft of the indicator placed at the lifter push rod register.

I believe you question is VERY VALID, thanks.

SO now, how did I do ?

Lance
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