I have no idea where you found a long block 6.0 for that price.. most are 1200 plus around me easy. To me the price difference isnt worth it. We are talking around 1000 bucks depending on what deal I can get on each motor.

Your power goals are definitely different from mine. The 5.3 will get me where I need to be but I didnt know if the local yard ever got a 6.0 core if it was worth the money to rebuild it vs just taking a 5.3.

 

The original inquiry was in March, note the final price received in May, see emails below. I made at least 4 calls to check the status on the pricing. The delay was attributed waiting on information from ATIAuto about the standard LS damper I run. Oddly the specs for the damper are on their website http://www.atiracing.com/products/da...ts/damserp.htm.

According to your website This is what comes in the base kit. "Base Tuner kit will mount one TorqStorm® Supercharger to an LS engine. Tuner kit includes supercharger, brackets, crank pulley w/pin kit, tensioner, belt, BOV, air filter and hardware."
Also from your website "Boost is factory set at 6-8 psi producing a meaningful horsepower increase without the need for internal engine modifications. However, if the desire for even greater power arises, the TorqStorm® charger is capable of flowing enough air to support over 700 horsepower."

The D1sc supports 925 hp and the P1sc supports 825 hp according to https://www.brutespeed.com/procharger_model_specs.htm
This is the invoice for the procharger with the same components as your base kit with the exception of the bypass valve which I did not need since I have one. Note the lower price prior to the upgrade to a D1sc. I received the Procharger after 1 call to the vendor and it arrived in less than a week at a lower price prior to my choice to upgrade the blower.

I am finding it difficult to understand how the service is better or the product is priced lower.

I was genuinely interested in buying your product, but after 7 weeks of run around I made the choice to go with a tried and true option from your competitor.





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Date: 3/21/18 8:39 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: sales@torqstorm.com, dljvs01@gmail.com, chris@acceltool.com, scott@acceltool.com, vic@mooregoodink.com
Subject: A Website Lead From Phil Coppney

Visitor: Phil Coppney

Email Address: pcoppney@outlook.com

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Message: I would like to discuss purchasing a unit. Please contact me.


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Mon 4/2/2018, 1:12 PM
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Hello Phil
I am back in the office now after being on the road for a few days. I do remember talking to you, the "AFI" pulley sticks out in my mind. However, I talk to a lot of people. Just so we are on the same page, would you fill me in on your project again? It seems like you had some stuff you were going to remove that you're running now. Then you needed more than just the supercharger kit from us. Let me know the direction you have to go in and we can get started on it.

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I provided all the necessary information by phone, and received this email when I posted another inquiry as to status. At this point I was no longer willing to continue trying to purchase your product.
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Fri 5/4/2018, 1:24 PM
Hello Phil
Get me the info we discussed on the phone. Thinking back on your project. Were you already using an ATI and we needed to determine what fits your damper?



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6167065580

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Mon 5/14/2018, 12:17 PM
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Hello Phil
I need billing and shipping address’s for the order. Then the card info. $3200 for the Silverado kit with the ATI pulley to match your ATI #917286 Damper.

TorqStorm Superchargers
616-706-5580

 

Isnt that the price for just the head unit on procharger? I was 2850 shipped to me on the basic kit. That kit is bolt on ready to go not so sure on that procharger setup.

I personally have not had any trouble getting ahold of torqstorm.

 

It was the head unit, belt, 3 bottles of oil, and all the necessary brackets, pulleys, and hardware. I did not need the bypass, the piping, or intercooler, had all that already. Took me about 2 hours to bolt it on.

 

This is where I got the 6.0
He has an all aluminum 5.3 with everything
https://www.ebay.com/itm/CHEVROLET-2...sAAOSwYSxafwrI

 

Not bad. My local yard has a 2015 silverado 5.3. Pretty sure it's a core as the truck was a flood car.. salt water at that.. They want 500 for the core but I'm not sure what all would need to be done or how much extra work a dod delete would be. What's your opinion on that?

 

Phil, I am unsure of your intend to bad mouth our company. Especially when you know you are leaving several key items out of your story.

This is not very professional, but for the sake of our name and reputation I will explain the truth for the rest to see.

Here is the real story from Chris, our salesman. This is the emails right from his computer, not leaving out any as you had. As well as an explanation (in red) of the phone calls and status at that time.

We're sorry we could not please you, and we're happy you are happy with your Procharger purchase. That's great, hope you can move on and be happy with your decision and leave out the bad mouthing.

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From: pcoppney@outlook.com
Date: 3/21/18 8:39 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: sales@torqstorm.com, dljvs01@gmail.com, chris@acceltool.com, scott@acceltool.com, vic@mooregoodink.com
Subject: A Website Lead From Phil Coppney

Visitor: Phil Coppney

Email Address: pcoppney@outlook.com

Phone Number:

Message: I would like to discuss purchasing a unit. Please contact me.

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From: Chris Beardsley <sales@torqstorm.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 10:59 AM
To: pcoppney@outlook.com
Subject: Re: A Website Lead From Phil Coppney

Hello Phil
What are we building your kit to fit on?



Chris Beardsley
TorqStorm Superchargers
6167065580

From: Phillip Coppney <pcoppney@outlook.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 12:04 PM
To: Chris Beardsley <sales@torqstorm.com>
Subject: Re: A Website Lead From Phil Coppney

HI Chris,

I am not sure I need a whole kit. I have an LS (lq9) that is bored and stroked to 408 with forged internals and high end pistions, bearings, timing. This is in my 2005 Sierra truck Currently running a powerdyne so I have the intercooler, piping, blow off, tensioners, pulleys, etc. and just cannot build enough boost.

I think I need just a unit and maybe the bracket.
From: Phillip Coppney <pcoppney@outlook.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 2:08 PM
To: Chris Beardsley <sales@torqstorm.com>
Subject: Re: A Website Lead From Phil Coppney

Chris is it possible to speak with someone about the product?

At this point we spoke on the phone. It was explained that his set up and ours were not going to work together. He was advised as to what changes needed to be made to run the new kit we were building.

From: pcoppney@outlook.com <pcoppney@outlook.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 11:50 AM
To: sales@torqstorm.com; dljvs01@gmail.com; chris@acceltool.com; scott@acceltool.com; vic@mooregoodink.com
Subject: A Website Lead From Phil Coppney

Visitor: Phil Coppney

Email Address: pcoppney@outlook.com

Phone Number: 3126220712

Message: I would like to order a kit for a 2005 Sierra, I spoke with you last week about the setup of pulleys and dampers.

Please advise on how to proceed.

The revision was underway and with the Good Friday Holiday I was not back in the office until Monday April 2nd.
From: sales@torqstorm.com <sales@torqstorm.com>
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 2:13 PM
To: 'pcoppney@outlook.com' <pcoppney@outlook.com>
Subject: RE: A Website Lead From Phil Coppney

Hello Phil
I am back in the office now after being on the road for a few days. I do remember talking to you, the "AFI" pulley sticks out in my mind. However, I talk to a lot of people. Just so we are on the same page, would you fill me in on your project again? It seems like you had some stuff you were going to remove that you're running now. Then you needed more than just the supercharger kit from us. Let me know the direction you have to go in and we can get started on it.

Chris Beardsley
TorqStorm Superchargers
616-706-5580
From: Phillip Coppney <pcoppney@outlook.com>
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 5:23 PM
To: sales@torqstorm.com
Subject: Re: A Website Lead From Phil Coppney

Chris,
I currently run an 8 groove ATI setup, I am changing that over to an ATI 917286 6 groove model and will be using your driver pulley that bolts on to the ATI. I don't think I need anything other than the normal kit now that I am chaning the damper.

This is for a truck with a stroker 408, full port on the 317 LS heads (71 cc combustion chamber) and a .600 lift cam. It pulls a lot of cfm so I will need the boost to come in early.

Thanks,

Phil

We had another phone conversation after this. With our revision we wanted to get the kit finalized. Our goal was to have it done for LS Fest West. It was explained that after we knew for sure where our kit was mounted fore/aft off the engine. We could then take the information on the ATI SuperDamper he was using. Make a pulley that aligned with the new kit location and his damper face.

From: pcoppney@outlook.com <pcoppney@outlook.com>
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 10:36 AM
To: sales@torqstorm.com; dljvs01@gmail.com; chris@acceltool.com; scott@acceltool.com; vic@mooregoodink.com
Subject: A Website Lead From Phil Coppney

Visitor: Phil Coppney

Email Address: pcoppney@outlook.com

Phone Number: 312 622 0712

Message: Following up on the status of getting a kit for a 2005 sierra. Last I heard you were waiting on information about the damper.





Email as we are setting up for LS Fest in Las Vegas. The revised kit is done and with us at the event. Phil responded back on the timeline I gave him for the kit to be completed. Not being at my office, after it being almost 6 weeks since his inquiry. I wanted the latest information on where the project was after our phone conversations.
From: Chris Beardsley <sales@torqstorm.com>
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 1:24 PM
To: pcoppney@outlook.com
Subject: Re: A Website Lead From Phil Coppney

Hello Phil
Get me the info we discussed on the phone. Thinking back on your project. Were you already using an ATI and we needed to determine what fits your damper?



Chris Beardsley
TorqStorm Superchargers
6167065580

From: Phillip Coppney <pcoppney@outlook.com>
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 1:31 PM
To: Chris Beardsley <sales@torqstorm.com>
Subject: Re: A Website Lead From Phil Coppney

Chris,

This the part number for the damper that I use ATI 917286. I think this is all you were missing.

It appears nothing had changed from the phone conversations or it would have been in the email. We return from Las Vegas on Wednesday May 9th. The design of a pulley for the ATI damper he is using is started. The cost for the Kit with the special pulley is determined.

From: TorqStormSales <sales@torqstorm.com>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 1:17 PM
To: 'Phillip Coppney' <pcoppney@outlook.com>
Subject: RE: A Website Lead From Phil Coppney

Hello Phil
I need billing and shipping addresses for the order. Then the card info. $3200 for the Silverado kit with the ATI pulley to match your ATI #917286 Damper.

Chris Beardsley
TorqStorm Superchargers
616-706-5580

This is the last email of the conversation...

 

It seems you are new here. You have a LOT to catch up on. I'll help.

-All of the fastest stock bottom end LS cars are 4.8s/5.3s
-Unported, stock valve'd 706 heads have been 32 PSI and over 1000 whp on a little stock bottom end 4.8
-Stock cranks in these engines routinely take 1200-1400 HP for YEARS without breaking.
-Not all early 706 heads were created equal.
-There are guys making a few hundred horsepower more than your claimed "controlled 800 HP" in their street cars lasting several years.
-You most certainly do NOT always get what you pay for. I've built 9-second street cars for less than a new procharger kit.
-These are not old small blocks. Displacement isn't king with boost. There are 4-cylinder cars that are faster than anything you'll ever own.
-Drop the attitude LOL.

 

I appreciate your reply. I tried to buy a product from you for nearly 8 weeks. I made multiple inquiries in phone and by email in this attempt. I even changed my build plans to go back to a 6 groove damper to from the 8 groove I originally planned. During this period I was told by your sales person you were reassessing the vendors that supplied parts for your kit on both price and quality. Then I was told the ATI damper was the hold up as you were unable to get information from them, then you were preparing for a trade show. Somehow that is all my fault, odd.

Good luck in your endeavors.

 

-All of the fastest stock bottom end LS cars are 4.8s/5.3s
-Unported, stock valve'd 706 heads have been 32 PSI and over 1000 whp on a little stock bottom end 4.8

There are multiple companies, many of them sponsors on this site, and thousands of machine shops making profits from reworking the stock heads to improve them. Either these companies are just really, really lucky, or everyone buying their products and services are ignorant, or there is something to the improvements they make. It is likely a little of each.

-Stock cranks in these engines routinely take 1200-1400 HP for YEARS without breaking.

Yes they do, I don’t believe I disputed that. I did however recommend trying to get a nodular iron crank instead of the regular cast version. Both of which at some point in the past have been “stock”. There has to be some reason the largest car manufacturing company in the world goes to the extra expense of increasing the tensile strength of their materials by 15,000 psi, which is what I recommended.


-Not all early 706 heads were created equal.

Agreed, however to avoid the issue completely you can make sure you get a later year casting, as it is not necessarily easy to identify the questionable castings. I was mistaken by saying 2005 it was actually 2006 according the bulletin from GM (http://ww2.justanswer.com/uploads/Bl...t_loss_5.3.pdf). Which is what I believe I recommended.

-There are guys making a few hundred horsepower more than your claimed "controlled 800 HP" in their street cars lasting several years.

Good for them, there are also guys driving over the rod they threw out the bottom of the pan.

-You most certainly do NOT always get what you pay for. I've built 9-second street cars for less than a new procharger kit.

Would these cars have gone slower with the addition of boost?

-These are not old small blocks. Displacement isn't king with boost. There are 4-cylinder cars that are faster than anything you'll ever own.

There are also boosted big displacement Corvettes, BMW’s, etc. that are faster than anything either of us will ever own and faster than any car of similar weight with 4 cylinders.

Seems there is more than one with a bit of "attitude". LOL

 

I don't think Joe Nova's statements above reflect any "attitude", negative or otherwise. He merely countered your statements with some of his that reflect his VERY considerable amount of LS-based knowledge. He knows these engines inside and out.

 

 

I was just curious as far as rebuilding a core and the money spent vs a 100k plus 5.3. I know when it boils down that a 5.3 is the way to go for me although if I found a deal on a 6.0 I'd go that way.

I am looking at a ls1 shortblock this weekend. Price is good and it comes with some other goodies that I'd be buying anyways if I went with a 5.3 so as far as $$ goes I probably come out ahead. I'd imagine that even though it is aluminum it would handle 10 psi reliably. I do not plan on going higher and currently I think that's about all the higher the torqstorm goes.

Btw I do appreciate all the extra info.

 

Idk if anyone said it yet, but if I'm getting an engine/trans from a yard I always try to pull from a wrecked vehicle if possible. If the vehicle is nice, it may be in the yard because the engine you just spent hours getting out is bad.

 

No one said anything was your fault. No reason to carry this on in this gentleman's post, sorry cypris09. Bad timing and an odd setup seemed to be the determining factor. Cant win them all. Hope you enjoy your setup, and good day to you Phil.

 

The local yard buys from auction usually. My brother is the sales guy so I usually get away with no core charges ect. He will give me a call, say they have one and I can come out and listen to it run or he will and then report back. Someone came through yesterday and bought all 4 6.0 cores and their 2015 5.3 core. So with any luck this ls1 shortblock will work out or I'll just wait till they buy another truck. I'm in no real rush to buy a motor as I'm still doing some work on my lemans to prep it for the ls.

 

Also I'd like to ask does it matter what year the shortblock is even if I plan on using a new harness? I was thinking I read that the 98 is different but I thought that was the ecm more so than the motor. I'm to the point now I'm forgetting what iv read lol