what would cause a stroker to not start when its warm?
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yea I'm so indecisive about this. i like my car. yea its decently quick, but has a little rust that may only get worse. i like the idea of a used motor because of cost, but hate the idea of getting most of what i want in a build but not everything. but also know its stupid to spend 15+ on an n/a stroker, but when i can get it "on sale" (by that i mean used) it instantly seems a little better.
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im also considering buying it just for the motor and putting it in an fbody. would an fbody have a similar problem as well? where i would need to do some mods for airflow? ive never had an issue with my 450 hp ls1 and headers. maybe that 10.6 to 1 compression is much much easier than the 11.7 to 1? and thats the difference?
Basically you want a high torque gear reduction starter, when the compression is high,, MSD boxes have a timing retard start in them that only kicks in under about 1200 rpm on the digital boxes if I recall,,, just to make it easier to fire up a race engine when your using as small a battery as possible.
Try starting a 2 liter 4 cylinder with 15.5+ compression, a standard starter won't do it,, its why you push midgets and sprints off with a truck,, less weight and no battery charging issues.
Could be a number of issues.
Weak starter (really common)
Weak battery from alternator getting hot.
Tune bad. To much timing on hot start.
Easiest way to rull out an engine issue is to test drive it and check oil psi and water temp. If they check out ok. Drive it till u get it hot enough to not want to start. Thin take a socket and ratchet and try and turn motor over. Thts the easiest way! Also check oil for metal etc.
Weak starter (really common)
Weak battery from alternator getting hot.
Tune bad. To much timing on hot start.
Easiest way to rull out an engine issue is to test drive it and check oil psi and water temp. If they check out ok. Drive it till u get it hot enough to not want to start. Thin take a socket and ratchet and try and turn motor over. Thts the easiest way! Also check oil for metal etc.
Smart move. I asked about compression and cam only to see if dynamic compression was to high not to possibly swoop in and steal it. Cold motor would crank alright and possibly a little slow but when heated up just to much compression to crank. Vengance Racing has a 408 in the classifieds that's needs rebuilt that is slowly coming down to a reasonable price if you keep an eye on it. I'm in pa also and have a spare 408 short block that needs a refresh along with a spare set of TFS245's with a matched super Vic setup for solid roller if your really looking. Also t&d shaft rockers with the heads.
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i certainly wasnt trying to question the integrity of the motor (kinda was but mostly not). i then realized that the money im saving is semi close to the value of my ls1 with ported 799s and a fast. the plan was buy that car because of the motor and it was supposed to be rust free (never saw it to verify) and then swap my built trans and rear and all suspension to that car, take those parts and put them on my car to sell. a ton of work. that option after a ton of work basically would equal out to a car thats 100 % fully built, with a motor that you really knew nothing about for an $8000 investment. so basically 8000 for a big fat motor and no rust. good deal. (i figured talk him down and get the car for 14500 in a perfect world, add 500 for taxes if we knocked the price on paper down, plus an extra 1000 for whatever small stuff it needs to finish up. so 16000 and subtract 8000. rough gestimate what i would get on a good day for my built ls1 stock rear and m6 car. or, build my own motor for say 15,000. get a sleeved 441 with a LLSR cam motion (the right way cough cough) and i know it could be done cheaper or more expensive just a very random number, and sell my motor for 3000 (again on a really good day) and now be 12000 into a motor that i know everything about and that is exactly what i want for 4000 more. to each his own i guess.....
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Smart move. I asked about compression and cam only to see if dynamic compression was to high not to possibly swoop in and steal it. Cold motor would crank alright and possibly a little slow but when heated up just to much compression to crank. Vengance Racing has a 408 in the classifieds that's needs rebuilt that is slowly coming down to a reasonable price if you keep an eye on it. I'm in pa also and have a spare 408 short block that needs a refresh along with a spare set of TFS245's with a matched super Vic setup for solid roller if your really looking. Also t&d shaft rockers with the heads.
yea i know you weren't lurking around. also im not trying to go iron. i seen that motor already. im also not really ready to be honest for a new motor it just kinda showed up and i was like o nice. im about 4 months off of adding heads and a fast to my car. i should at least track the car a few times before a new motor
50% of the people are smart on here and confirmed pretty much the same F-n thing I told you!!
Sorry I am too busy and haven't had any interest in the car for 2 years and I stopped working on it......is that so hard to believe?...The car does still get driven in occasion for the purpose of it not just sitting.
It's people like you that are the problem............after all, didn't you just write above that you lied, and then pointed out my ad for no fucki n reason and then you don't want me to find your post????
LOOK AT MY FEEDBACK EVERYONE!...............too bad someone may lose out on an excellent priced car because of your ignorance! Next time before you make assumptions and are clueless maybe you shouldnt run your mouth and point your finger without having the facts first! Thanks for your selfishness! I hope it makes you feel better to throw someone under the bus, when you have no idea of the facts!
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yea I'm so indecisive about this. i like my car. yea its decently quick, but has a little rust that may only get worse. i like the idea of a used motor because of cost, but hate the idea of getting most of what i want in a build but not everything. but also know its stupid to spend 15+ on an n/a stroker, but when i can get it "on sale" (by that i mean used) it instantly seems a little better.
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also quote me where i am clearly bashing the car.......
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wasnt calling anyone stupid for spending that much on a stroker (despite many many of the turbo guys arguing that). what i meant was spending that much for me personally is stupid when i barely track the car. i could easily accomplish a stroker for my needs for a lot less money
wasnt calling anyone stupid for spending that much on a stroker (despite many many of the turbo guys arguing that). what i meant was spending that much for me personally is stupid when i barely track the car. i could easily accomplish a stroker for my needs for a lot less money
never did i insult the integrity of the car. sorry if you felt that way. this is why i didn't wanna post this up because i didn't want you to think that. i know how sensitive people can be with their cars, which we are witnessing now. i was trying to learn something tho which is why i still posted because thats what 90% of us are here to do. just like i told you through text, i simply can't part ways with my car like i thought i could, despite this car being a very good deal.
also quote me where i am clearly bashing the car.......
also quote me where i am clearly bashing the car.......
I wouldn't have commented or been the least bit upset if you did throw me under the bus and mention my car specifically in the classified section!
That's exactly right.....that's how you learn, asking questions.....I am the king of being annoying and asking questions....but I learn.
The problem is.....I don't need people scared off to buy car when I am asking a stupid low price in the begin with when there is nothing big wrong with it!
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"i certainly wasnt trying to question the integrity of the motor (kinda was but mostly not) "
I wouldn't have commented or been the least bit upset if you did throw me under the bus and mention my car specifically in the classified section!
That's exactly right.....that's how you learn, asking questions.....I am the king of being annoying and asking questions....but I learn.
The problem is.....I don't need people scared off to buy car when I am asking a stupid low price in the begin with when there is nothing big wrong with it!
I wouldn't have commented or been the least bit upset if you did throw me under the bus and mention my car specifically in the classified section!
That's exactly right.....that's how you learn, asking questions.....I am the king of being annoying and asking questions....but I learn.
The problem is.....I don't need people scared off to buy car when I am asking a stupid low price in the begin with when there is nothing big wrong with it!
if you dont wanna scare people off than ask a higher price lol
so you think that me asking questions referring to your car could possibly scare them off? is anything i said untrue? would you not have disclosed that to begin with? you saying i dont need to sell then contradicting yourself by listing a limited time price 25% less than what you were originally asking.
the only integrity questions i have is why there is no paperwork on the motor build? i personally have an issue spending X amount on a motor and not having any proof of it. so it is very easy to question a motor when the seller doesn't have paperwork on it. not saying you should or shouldn't, just understand from a buyers aspect why that may be important. also i would think that listing specifically about the hot start issue would be worth mentioning in the ad, so would the fact that the car is speed density tuned, but runs better when the maf is plugged in? full disclosure is important a simple "The Camaro has been on the road for 2-3 years now and could still use a few bugs worked out of it but nothing major" doesn't seem that way.
again, the biggest turn off for me was simply i can't part ways with my car like i should, and paperwork on a motor i spent a lot of money on would be important to me as well. i find it odd also that you dont think its ok for someone to post specific questions about a specific car just because you are attempting to sell it.
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Not to drag this thread on anymore than it needs to be but. I have a motor built by a very reputable builder and received no build sheet. Could I have got one if asked, probably? You go to a good shop for there knowledge and experience. Clearances and parts combinations is kind of their trade secret.
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tug686spd, you may have a point, but YOU bought the engine, and it is YOURS, so you have a right to know the particulars of it. If it blows, one of those "secrets" may be the reason, and forewarned is forearmed. Not saying you need to tell anyone else any secrets involved, but you, the owner deserve to know anything about an engine you own. My .02....
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i wouldn't even need a build sheet, just a parts list really and proof that its a new engine with quality parts built by a quality shop would be important if i was choosing to buy a used motor. not trying to make this go on anymore........
the only reason i mentioned your car exactly was someone, trying to help, asked for the ad.
if you dont wanna scare people off than ask a higher price lol
so you think that me asking questions referring to your car could possibly scare them off? is anything i said untrue? would you not have disclosed that to begin with? you saying i dont need to sell then contradicting yourself by listing a limited time price 25% less than what you were originally asking.
the only integrity questions i have is why there is no paperwork on the motor build? i personally have an issue spending X amount on a motor and not having any proof of it. so it is very easy to question a motor when the seller doesn't have paperwork on it. not saying you should or shouldn't, just understand from a buyers aspect why that may be important. also i would think that listing specifically about the hot start issue would be worth mentioning in the ad, so would the fact that the car is speed density tuned, but runs better when the maf is plugged in? full disclosure is important a simple "The Camaro has been on the road for 2-3 years now and could still use a few bugs worked out of it but nothing major" doesn't seem that way.
again, the biggest turn off for me was simply i can't part ways with my car like i should, and paperwork on a motor i spent a lot of money on would be important to me as well. i find it odd also that you dont think its ok for someone to post specific questions about a specific car just because you are attempting to sell it.
if you dont wanna scare people off than ask a higher price lol
so you think that me asking questions referring to your car could possibly scare them off? is anything i said untrue? would you not have disclosed that to begin with? you saying i dont need to sell then contradicting yourself by listing a limited time price 25% less than what you were originally asking.
the only integrity questions i have is why there is no paperwork on the motor build? i personally have an issue spending X amount on a motor and not having any proof of it. so it is very easy to question a motor when the seller doesn't have paperwork on it. not saying you should or shouldn't, just understand from a buyers aspect why that may be important. also i would think that listing specifically about the hot start issue would be worth mentioning in the ad, so would the fact that the car is speed density tuned, but runs better when the maf is plugged in? full disclosure is important a simple "The Camaro has been on the road for 2-3 years now and could still use a few bugs worked out of it but nothing major" doesn't seem that way.
again, the biggest turn off for me was simply i can't part ways with my car like i should, and paperwork on a motor i spent a lot of money on would be important to me as well. i find it odd also that you dont think its ok for someone to post specific questions about a specific car just because you are attempting to sell it.
What kind of bullshit are you talking about????? How would you know the f-n issue if I didn't tell you??????? I want to people able to explain to them at least over the phone. ****......bring a darn starter ( I have a heat shield ) I can make and I will prove my point!
I didn't contradict ****! I lowered the price because I found a truck I want....that doesn't mean I need to sell it......it means I want to sell it and have no interest in it.
that's your assumption that I need to sell it.........is it ok with you that I well my car because I want something else and have no interest in it?
Grow up kid! You don't have all the answers......no one does! Just because you assume something does make you right and you are absolutely wrong.......that's a fact!