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Old Jul 30, 2018 | 12:27 PM
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I broke off a torque to yield bolt in a 2004 , 5.3 L in its block, over torqued it .....first time in 40 + years ...ie not happy! Need help extracting
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Old Jul 30, 2018 | 12:51 PM
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If it broke from over torquing and not cross threading it should thread out easily. A reverse drill bit would be your best friend right now, as soon as the bit grabs it will unscrew the bolt.

Or you can try to rotate it with a pic or tiny screw driver.
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Old Jul 30, 2018 | 09:26 PM
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Long bolt or short bolt? If it's a short bolt, I wouldn't worry about it.
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Old Jul 31, 2018 | 07:24 AM
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How deep into the block is the break?
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Old Jul 31, 2018 | 02:53 PM
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If it's below deck it will still be pretty easy. Had it happen trying to reuse stock bolts on an lb7 recently and it was easy, if that makes you feel a little smarter..
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Old Aug 2, 2018 | 02:16 AM
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How many of these stories do we have to see before you people get the hint -

TTY BOLTS ARE ONE TIME USE.
Stop being cheap asses and stop reading sloppy mechanics. Buy new bolts.
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Old Aug 2, 2018 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 8.Lug
How many of these stories do we have to see before you people get the hint -

TTY BOLTS ARE ONE TIME USE.
Stop being cheap asses and stop reading sloppy mechanics. Buy new bolts.
Yeah, the JEGS brand bolts are cheap and easy. Not as sexy as ARP, but they do the job. Or just buy new TTY stock bolts. Any of these solutions are cheaper than messing with a broken bolt down the road.



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Old Aug 3, 2018 | 04:16 AM
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This is the 2nd thread I've seen posted in less than 2 weeks, I can't imagine how often this actually happens but they just don't tell anyone about it. Why does it take so long for people to get the hint? I mean seriously, what is your people's deal?

https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...ic-inside.html
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Old Aug 3, 2018 | 06:35 AM
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Where does the OP say that it was a used bolt?
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Old Aug 3, 2018 | 10:01 AM
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Yup, NOWHERE does it say the bolt was used. So holster the gun, Lugnut….
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Old Aug 3, 2018 | 10:05 AM
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FWIW I've taken reused tty headbolts to 19 psi and 10.99 @ 133 spinning hard on every shift. Metallurgy analysis on stock bolts, china studs and arp studs has proven the stock bolts have a higher yield than anything else. The thread is here on ls1 tech if you wanna dig it up.

OP you clean the threads in the block? they are blind holes so any **** from cleaning the motor gets trapped in there. Make a thread chaser by putting a catch groove in an old headbolt and use acetone or brake cleaner and blow it out with compressed air. test thread the bolt in dry. Thin film of motor oil on the threads, moly assembly lube under the head. I can't even count the number of times I've done this. I torque to 40 and then 75 ft lbs in sequence and use copper spray on the stock reused gaskets.
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Originally Posted by truckdoug
FWIW I've taken reused tty headbolts to 19 psi and 10.99 @ 133 spinning hard on every shift. Metallurgy analysis on stock bolts, china studs and arp studs has proven the stock bolts have a higher yield than anything else. The thread is here on ls1 tech if you wanna dig it up.

OP you clean the threads in the block? they are blind holes so any **** from cleaning the motor gets trapped in there. Make a thread chaser by putting a catch groove in an old headbolt and use acetone or brake cleaner and blow it out with compressed air. test thread the bolt in dry. Thin film of motor oil on the threads, moly assembly lube under the head. I can't even count the number of times I've done this. I torque to 40 and then 75 ft lbs in sequence and use copper spray on the stock reused gaskets.
I've linked that thread several times but people want to still use cheap chinese studs etc..

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Originally Posted by 00pooterSS
I've linked that thread several times but people want to still use cheap chinese studs etc..
Just as a point of clarity Studs <> Bolts.

Also the Jegs Bolt kit is made in the USA.

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Again not as nice as the ARP Bolt kit, but the price is kinder and still made in the USA for both. Key on either set for me was the re-usable factor vs new GM TTY if I pull heads down the road at some point.

I have not seen the link referenced, so YMMV.






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Originally Posted by APillow


Just as a point of clarity Studs <> Bolts.

Also the Jegs Bolt kit is made in the USA.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/455077-non-sponsor-soliciting-policy.html&quot;]Non-Sponsor Soliciting Policy[/url]

Again not as nice as the ARP Bolt kit, but the price is kinder and still made in the USA for both. Key on either set for me was the re-usable factor vs new GM TTY if I pull heads down the road at some point.

I have not seen the link referenced, so YMMV.






I have no idea what you're trying to say or what ymmv means.

But here's that thread link

https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...ngth-test.html
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Originally Posted by 00pooterSS
I have no idea what you're trying to say or what ymmv means.

But here's that thread link

https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...ngth-test.html
Interesting read on the stud/bolt data. Really de-legitimatizes the need for the China Studs. I wish the study included the ARP Bolts as well.

The YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary. Really that is just saying there are many ways to get these LSs to produce ridiculous HP from JY trash to $hiny ways. IMO even a JY build deserves some ARP love on fasteners, the couple hundred is good piece of mind. Especially ARP header bolts!










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Originally Posted by APillow
Interesting read on the stud/bolt data. Really de-legitimatizes the need for the China Studs. I wish the study included the ARP Bolts as well.

The YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary. Really that is just saying there are many ways to get these LSs to produce ridiculous HP from JY trash to $hiny ways. IMO even a JY build deserves some ARP love on fasteners, the couple hundred is good piece of mind. Especially ARP header bolts!

I think I saw something once that showed the arp head bolts were pretty similar in strength to the tty oem bolt.

Either way, after seeing the tensile test and knowing what people are doing on stock bolts, I don't see much of a need for the ARP bolts, reusable is nice, but the decision comes down to how often you think you'll be pulling the heads. TTY bolt sets are like $30 if I recall correctly, ARP bolts are 5 times that, studs are 10 times that. So if you're gonna pull the heads that many times it worth it, if not, then it's a to each their own thing.
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Old Aug 3, 2018 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by APillow
Interesting read on the stud/bolt data. Really de-legitimatizes the need for the China Studs. I wish the study included the ARP Bolts as well.
The tensile test is for the strength of the alloy itself, so it doesnt mater if its a bolt or stud. The test TSP had performed very clearly shows the ARP alloy is higher in strength compared to the OEM bolt and the chinese stud.
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Old Aug 3, 2018 | 04:11 PM
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The tensile test is for the strength of the alloy itself, so it doesnt mater if its a bolt or stud. The test TSP had performed very clearly shows the ARP alloy is higher in strength compared to the OEM bolt and the chinese stud.
That's what I was unsure of, I figured the bolts would be as strong as the studs, but I feel like I saw a test where someone tested the ARP bolts and studs and the studs had a higher tensile strength, which made me think they were made from different material.

Please correct that if it's wrong.
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Old Aug 3, 2018 | 05:08 PM
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I think the thing about studs vs. bolts is the type of force imposed on them. A stud is put in finger tight. then the nut tightened onto the stud. There is not the torsional force of tightening the bolt into a long thread in the block, PLUS the friction between the bolt head and the head surface, just the relatively short nut onto the stud. The stud has more of a linear pull than a bolt.
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