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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 12:32 AM
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WHOA, those GMPP cathedral ports be HUGE! Well, for a cathedral, anyway. I didn't know anyone was hogging out cathedrals so much. Yeah that might be an interesting test!
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 07:31 AM
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Ls3 will destroy them.
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 08:51 AM
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WHOA, those GMPP cathedral ports be HUGE! Well, for a cathedral, anyway. I didn't know anyone was hogging out cathedrals so much. Yeah that might be an interesting test!
they are huge... but they work. Better in real life than on paper. Like an ls7 Cam in an ls1.
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 08:53 AM
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Ls3 will destroy them.
would be interesting to see on a 4” bore. See what the shrouding issue really means.

And as far as the shrouding issue, I’ve heard of guys squishing the Head dowls a bit to shuffle the head over to get the valve further from the cylinder wall. Really on a 4.030 engine you’d only have to shuffle the head over .015” to match a 4.060 bore
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would be interesting to see on a 4” bore. See what the shrouding issue really means.

And as far as the shrouding issue, I’ve heard of guys squishing the Head dowls a bit to shuffle the head over to get the valve further from the cylinder wall. Really on a 4.030 engine you’d only have to shuffle the head over .015” to match a 4.060 bore
I may or may not have moved my Mamo heads over, via dowels, on my 434. Didn’t squish them however. It’s a simple process to unshroud valves on an LS platform.
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 05:06 PM
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I may or may not have moved my Mamo heads over, via dowels, on my 434. Didn’t squish them however. It’s a simple process to unshroud valves on an LS platform.

Pre made dowels? Or did you make em?
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 05:40 PM
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Are they oblonging the head bolt holes to slide them off center?

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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 08:01 PM
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I may or may not have moved my Mamo heads over, via dowels, on my 434. Didn’t squish them however. It’s a simple process to unshroud valves on an LS platform.
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 08:57 PM
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Pre made dowels? Or did you make em?
i might have made some...
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by wannafbody
Are they oblonging the head bolt holes to slide them off center?
No. were only talking .020” to .030”.
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 09:22 PM
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I may or may not have moved my Mamo heads over, via dowels, on my 434. Didn’t squish them however. It’s a simple process to unshroud valves on an LS platform.
can u describe the simple unshrouding process?
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LS and BBC are same dowels. Moroso makes a set of dowels for BBC offset .030” that work like a glove. I’m always buying stuff like this and doing mockups/measurements. No more “shrouding” issues fellas.
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Che70velle
LS and BBC are same dowels. Moroso makes a set of dowels for BBC offset .030” that work like a glove. I’m always buying stuff like this and doing mockups/measurements. No more “shrouding” issues fellas.
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 09:32 PM
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...and this was one of those pieces of info I swore to myself I’d never share. Good thing I like you guys.
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Che70velle
...and this was one of those pieces of info I swore to myself I’d never share. Good thing I like you guys.
**** you’re a good guy!
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Originally Posted by Che70velle
I may or may not have moved my Mamo heads over, via dowels, on my 434. Didn’t squish them however. It’s a simple process to unshroud valves on an LS platform.
I crush the dowels. With the parting line at 12 o’clock, I squeeze on the 3 and 9 o’clock sides with a set of pliers, then install them in the block with the parting line pointing up towards the lifters. I think you can get .015” or .020” before having to slot the head or intake bolt holes.

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Old Nov 14, 2018 | 10:53 AM
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I crush the dowels. With the parting line at 12 o’clock, I squeeze on the 3 and 9 o’clock sides with a set of pliers, then install them in the block with the parting line pointing up towards the lifters. I think you can get .015” or .020” before having to slot the head or intake bolt holes.

What kinds of gains have you guys seen after just this unshrouding dowel trick? Does it alter block to head coolant passage alignment?
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Originally Posted by Che70velle
LS and BBC are same dowels. Moroso makes a set of dowels for BBC offset .030” that work like a glove. I’m always buying stuff like this and doing mockups/measurements. No more “shrouding” issues fellas.
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Che70velle, +100 outstanding trick & tip. Thank you for sharing.
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Originally Posted by foxsl
What kinds of gains have you guys seen after just this unshrouding dowel trick? Does it alter block to head coolant passage alignment?
I’ve never dyno’d just that one change. It’s really going to depend on if and how badly the intake valve is shrouded. As far as coolant passages, it’s not enough to restrict coolant flow throigh the little holes in the head gasket.
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