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Old Jun 27, 2020 | 11:20 AM
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I have a lq4 motor with 243 heads and a TSP CAM with a 228/232 cam with .600 lift. Engine has less than 500 miles on it. Valves are supposedly Titanium. Started engine the other day and it ran like crap after hearing a ticking noise. Opened valve covers and found this mess. Heads were checked and springs set up by G&G machine shop in Houston. Car is now in Anchorage and l have no idea where to begin. Oil pressure was good up till failure of valve keeper/retainer failure. Wtf is going on here??


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Old Jun 27, 2020 | 11:27 AM
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Looks a bit like not enough spring. Coil bind.
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Old Jun 27, 2020 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by RB04Av
Looks a bit like not enough spring. Coil bind.
The springs are dual springs and are supposed to have been good up to .660 lift and the machine shop said it was good to go with the cam lm running.
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Old Jun 27, 2020 | 11:33 AM
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the machine shop said
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What did YOU get when YOU measured em?
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Old Jun 27, 2020 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RB04Av
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What did YOU get when YOU measured em?
You have me there, l do not know as it was assembled in Houston and l had it shipped up here to Anchorage. Should l get all new springs and valves?
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Old Jun 27, 2020 | 11:59 AM
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Titanium valves? Did you have lash caps?
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Did you run lash caps with the titanium valves? If not, we're the tips hardened? If the answer to both questions is no, then there is the issue.
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Old Jun 27, 2020 | 12:07 PM
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Titanium valves? Did you have lash caps?
Lol we must have been typing at the same time.
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Wow. Maybe they were aluminum valves......😊

What is the application that you would be using Titanium valves?

Lash caps will change pushrod length and rocker geometry.
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Old Jun 27, 2020 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth_V8r
Did you run lash caps with the titanium valves? If not, we're the tips hardened? If the answer to both questions is no, then there is the issue.
Here is a picture of the heads before install. It appears there are no caps on the tips
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Old Jun 27, 2020 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 01CamaroSSTx
I just want to know why there's red paint inside the cylinder head?
l think it enhances the oil flow back to the oil pan is what l read. Bought the heads that way l did not order it done.
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Originally Posted by gordoalf
Here is a picture of the heads before install. It appears there are no caps on the tips
Lash caps are a MUST with titanium valves unless they are made with a custom hardened tip such as ferrea does. Stock ls7 heads use titanium valves with lash caps.

Rockers eat away at titanium valve tips. Rapidly. As you see.
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Originally Posted by RonSSNova
Lash caps will change pushrod length and rocker geometry.
True. You have to shim under the rocker pedestal to compensate. In the case of stock style, you put a .050 shim under the pedestal rail. Then your pushrods get ordered slightly longer. Around .050. Then you are good to go.
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Old Jun 27, 2020 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth_V8r
Lash caps are a MUST with titanium valves unless they are made with a custom hardened tip such as ferrea does. Stock ls7 heads use titanium valves with lash caps.

Rockers eat away at titanium valve tips. Rapidly. As you see.
Do you think l can reuse the springs or should l just replace all valves, springs, and hardware?
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You could probably run the springs themselves again. New retainers and locks are a must though. Valves too of course.

Looking at your pictures on my phone it's hard to tell but there might be caps there. The one of the damaged head standing on the floor there are two valves that look unaffected/ maybe have a cap?
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Old Jun 27, 2020 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jlangley
You could probably run the springs themselves again. New retainers and locks are a must though. Valves too of course.

Looking at your pictures on my phone it's hard to tell but there might be caps there. The one of the damaged head standing on the floor there are two valves that look unaffected/ maybe have a cap?
l will find out Monday when l get back to Anchorage and take it to a local machine shop. Hope they can save the heads etc as they are already ported and polished. Was dynotuned in that configuration.
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Old Jun 28, 2020 | 01:57 AM
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The red paint is glyptal and its an old trick commonly seen on gen 1 stuff.
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Old Jun 30, 2020 | 12:48 PM
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Well, after taking the heads to the machine shop l found out that the valves did not have caps inatalled on them. Going back to good old stainless as the heads are still good the shop told me.
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Glyptal is a paint used on electric motors, and many other applications. If applied correctly, does not peel.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=glypta...51bce01f91e246
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Are the valves stuck in the guides?
Glass beading a titanium valve stem will destroy a guide.
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