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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 11:22 AM
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The guy I bought the heads from was running a 235/243 62x/62x 113 cam in a stock short block. I actually bought the whole long block and sold the short block and kept the heads.
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 01:22 PM
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Not enough compression or piston the valve clearance with those heads running the titan king.
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 01:31 PM
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Yeah I was surprised when he recommended that cam.

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Not enough compression or piston the valve clearance with those heads running the titan king.
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 01:51 PM
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These heads haven't been milled any.
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by madmike9396
So I contacted Cam motion and they reccomend me run the King Titan cam. What are some of yalls thoughts on that ?
Just curious if you read the description on their website?
"Maximum Effort STRIP Car..... This will have a HEAVY Lope at idle".
LOL, this is about a 12 on your 1-10 scale.

With your current heads Titan 4 Cam,FAST 92/90, 1 7/8" LTs and True Duals (just remembered)
you have enough power for Mid 11s (with traction and suspension) in decent DA/conditions and still a very
fun car to drive on the street.

The Titan 5 would be about ~9 on your scale.

Titan King Too Big IMO based on your stated goals.
Killer with Aftermarket Heads & MMS MSD & 4.30:1 + for a Max Effort Race Car.
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 02:03 PM
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Yeah I seen that. That's why I was like 🤔




Originally Posted by NAVYBLUE210
Just curious if you read the description on their website?
"Maximum Effort STRIP Car..... This will have a HEAVY Lope at idle.
LOL, this is about a 12 on your 1-10 scale.

With your current heads Titan 4 Cam,FAST 92/90, 1 7/8" LTs and a GOOD Y (don't choke the exhaust)
you have enough power for Mid 11s (with traction and suspension) in decent DA/conditions and still a very
fun car to drive on the street.

The Titan 5 would be about ~9 on your scale.

Titan King Too Big IMO based on your stated goals.
Killer with Aftermarket Heads & MMS MSD & 4.30:1 + for a Max Effort Race Car.
Just my .02
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 04:46 PM
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Ya, Thats why I was asking what you told them. I disagree with their recommendation. The Titan 3 however would be an excellent choice. Wouldnt run titan king unless you put in aftermarket pistons and raise compression to 12:1. Get a nice driving cam and squeeze it if you want to go extra fast. Too big and you will hate it. I have a similar cam in my car as the titan king but with more cubes and it still has some minor driving quirks.
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 04:52 PM
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Thanks for your advice. Yea I highly doubt I go that radical such as the King Titan or BTR 4. It will get street driven also so I dont want it to be a complete pain in the ***.

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Ya, Thats why I was asking what you told them. I disagree with their recommendation. The Titan 3 however would be an excellent choice. Wouldnt run titan king unless you put in aftermarket pistons and raise compression to 12:1. Get a nice driving cam and squeeze it if you want to go extra fast. Too big and you will hate it. I have a similar cam in my car as the titan king but with more cubes and it still has some minor driving quirks.
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 05:19 PM
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I was originally looking at this cam https://www.hawksmotorsports.com/haw...-lsa-camshaft/
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 05:24 PM
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A little small on the cam is way better than a little big.
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Old Jul 14, 2020 | 04:27 PM
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Well I reached out to hawks motorsports and they recommend their instigator cam. I'm guessing these guys see that 4k stall and say yep big cam. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Old Jul 14, 2020 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by madmike9396
Well I reached out to hawks motorsports and they recommend their instigator cam. I'm guessing these guys see that 4k stall and say yep big cam. 🤷🏻‍♂️
Ya I'm not sure what's going on with that. Converter isnt even that radica . Anyways, I look at it like this, you want a weekend warrior, might drive it once or twice and probably wont roadtrip with it but maybe you want to be able to if you wanted. I'd build it to drive nice and make good power, you can always lower the idle to sound nastier at the parking lot and if you want to go fast, 1500 bucks will get you a nitrous kit and you will be much faster then a big cam car that drives like garbage on no nitrous. Its ALWAYS better to get a cam a bit too small then too big for a street car. You are also limited by the top end for peak power potential, play to its strengths. If it were me, I'd get the Titan 3 cam but the titan 4 will work great too, sacrifice a little down low for some more up top. Up to you. I wouldnt go bigger than that.
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Old Jul 14, 2020 | 05:54 PM
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Last point I will make on this thread is that the Cam Motion Cams have a smoother profile/acceleration rate VS the Comps,
While this can trade off some power and snap vs the gentler profile (that is only with enough spring pressure to insure proper valve control) what you gain is greater valve spring life and smoother quieter operation (less ticking) all else being equal.

One of my pet peeves is when I see a Cam specced for a NA application where the EXHAUST LIFT is greater than the Intake Lift.
According to Darrin Morgan one of the Top Cylinder Head Designers/Porters, the valve lift should be a % of the valve diameter, as this relates to curtain area for ideal/optimum Intake Port flow & velocity, and since the Intake Valves are significantly larger they should have greater lift.
I look at any performance NA cam with more exhaust lift VS Intake as FAIL. But that is just me.

Good friend of mine had the Titan 4 in a 5.7 11.7:1 compression with ported 243s, turbo 350, 2800 stall and 3.55:1 in a Fox Mustang
with a short runner sheet metal intake it RIPPED! and had excellent street manners, Your 4 speed, 4000 stall and 3.90s with
a FAST 92 would exceed that everywhere up to 6500+ RPM.
If you mill your heads slightly and adjust quench between .035-.040 with 11.0-11.5: comp (91-93 OCTANE)
you will have EXACTLY what you want.
My last .02
Good Luck

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Old Jul 14, 2020 | 06:45 PM
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I would do a 228r or a torquer v2 on a 110 LSA but knowing you going to spray it do a 114 LSA.
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Old Jul 14, 2020 | 07:40 PM
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BTR stage 2, Cam Motion Titan 4 or TSP 228/232 all will perform similarly
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Old Jul 15, 2020 | 06:00 AM
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No spray for this one 😁


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I would do a 228r or a torquer v2 on a 110 LSA but knowing you going to spray it do a 114 LSA.
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Old Jul 15, 2020 | 06:11 AM
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Makes sense. Thanks for the .02 👍🏼


Originally Posted by NAVYBLUE210
Last point I will make on this thread is that the Cam Motion Cams have a smoother profile/acceleration rate VS the Comps,
While this can trade off some power and snap vs the gentler profile (that is only with enough spring pressure to insure proper valve control) what you gain is greater valve spring life and smoother quieter operation (less ticking) all else being equal.

One of my pet peeves is when I see a Cam specced for a NA application where the EXHAUST LIFT is greater than the Intake Lift.
According to Darrin Morgan one of the Top Cylinder Head Designers/Porters, the valve lift should be a % of the valve diameter, as this relates to curtain area for ideal/optimum Intake Port flow & velocity, and since the Intake Valves are significantly larger they should have greater lift.
I look at any performance NA cam with more exhaust lift VS Intake as FAIL. But that is just me.

Good friend of mine had the Titan 4 in a 5.7 11.7:1 compression with ported 243s, turbo 350, 2800 stall and 3.55:1 in a Fox Mustang
with a short runner sheet metal intake it RIPPED! and had excellent street manners, Your 4 speed, 4000 stall and 3.90s with
a FAST 92 would exceed that everywhere up to 6500+ RPM.
If you mill your heads slightly and adjust quench between .035-.040 with 11.0-11.5: comp (91-93 OCTANE)
you will have EXACTLY what you want.
My last .02
Good Luck
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Old Jul 15, 2020 | 06:15 AM
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Thanks for the advice. I've seen first hand what over cammed cars run like. Got they *** busted by a smaller cam car and everyone was shocked 😂

Thanks again


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Ya I'm not sure what's going on with that. Converter isnt even that radica . Anyways, I look at it like this, you want a weekend warrior, might drive it once or twice and probably wont roadtrip with it but maybe you want to be able to if you wanted. I'd build it to drive nice and make good power, you can always lower the idle to sound nastier at the parking lot and if you want to go fast, 1500 bucks will get you a nitrous kit and you will be much faster then a big cam car that drives like garbage on no nitrous. Its ALWAYS better to get a cam a bit too small then too big for a street car. You are also limited by the top end for peak power potential, play to its strengths. If it were me, I'd get the Titan 3 cam but the titan 4 will work great too, sacrifice a little down low for some more up top. Up to you. I wouldnt go bigger than that.
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Old Jul 15, 2020 | 09:18 AM
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I drive a 233/241 on 112.5 with tfs 220 as casts and the drivability is great, just need to know how to tune it to get there and its a 6 speed. The power is unreal, car went 10.84 @ 125 with the stock ls6 topend and now it would embarrass that setup. Dont believe everything you read on the internet.
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Originally Posted by SLP IROC-Z
I drive a 233/241 on 112.5 with tfs 220 as casts and the drivability is great, just need to know how to tune it to get there and its a 6 speed. The power is unreal, car went 10.84 @ 125 with the stock ls6 topend and now it would embarrass that setup. Dont believe everything you read on the internet.
Great combo! I feel like that is about the ideal cam size on a 346 for max effort, but stock bottom end. My old 346 ran 10.7. cam was 238/245-112.5+2, but it was solid roller, so subtract 5 degrees, and it's 233/240 - right where yours is. Same rear gear and manual trans also.

I suspect you're a far better driver...
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