It seems like when you let off the starter button it dies. I think your power source could be wrong. Post your tune so people here can look.

 

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-6014

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-300-132

Same price they have always been.

 

I love my carb. Seeing all the **** people go through with FI to just go slower makes no sense. Funny thing is most that are boasting FI, don't even tune their own car. Or put it on auto tune and call it good. Thats not tuning.

Around here if you do something different you get flamed for it. No one can claim FI rules over a carb. It simply, is not true. They are both just different methods of fuel delivery. Nothing more.

That 6014 does everything I want it to do, and the progressive controller does the rest.

Seriously. You all need to go to the track. I know you all will be surprised on what is actually kicking everyone's ***.

 

I run both and still would rather break out the laptop and make a few tweaks then get out hand tools and smell like gasoline, I can also take a drive pull over look at the log make any adjustments I need and be on my way. When it comes to power a perfectly tuned carb setup might have a slight edge in peak power but a properly tuned EFI setup will almost always win on average power. They both work one is cleaner to tune and cleaner running and it's not the carb.

 

I’d love to have all the money back I spent on carbs through the years. I just sold my ‘88 OBS C1500. It had the best 750 on it I ever had from a brake specifics point of view. Man I had a small fortune in that carb.

 

Yeah, more cancel culture. Truth hurts too many feelings.

 

I'm with you man. If you know what you are doing, carbs work well and have for years. Problem is most people don't, which instantly makes a carb the wrong answer. **** most people don't know how to tune EFI either.

Both have their place, both have their pros/cons depending on what you are trying to accomplish.

I'll get hated on with you. I can take it.

 

Truth or not, and most would agree with you BTW on that post, but political posts will get an admin in here with a quickness and thread gets locked.

 

It saddens me that people flame other people for their choice of turning or fuel delivery system. People should not just embrace but give props for being able to do so. The ultimate ego stroke is calling out someone because you don't like what they do. Childish at best. Embrace everyone's gift because you never know when their knowledge might help you one day.
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I don't think I flamed anyone and don't see any flaming in the post really, Differences in opinions yes.
I may get a little defensive when other people knock EFI when the facts don't support what they post. Modern EFI is just as dependable and many would argue more dependable than a carburetor.
I'm old enough to remember when a vehicle with 100,000 miles was considered to be worn out and didn't sell well. Now it's common to get 200,000 miles and still feel confident enough to drive it out of state and back lol. EFI / Emissions systems in their infancy were a nightmare of vacuum lines and poor design and it was common to rip it out and throw a carb on it and solve many of your problems.
Todays efi is different, Much more compact / refined and actually very dependable.
Aftermarket systems like Holley EFI are designed so a person with very little knowledge can install them and have the engine running and driving in a weekend yet sophisticated enough that a person with the skill can virtually program / control every aspect of the engine/Trans with a laptop. I have installed them and tuned them and never had a parts failure of any kind. My S10 is supercharged, Close to 600hp gets good fuel mileage (better than the v6 I took out) and it's dependable enough that I wouldn't hesitate to drive it anywhere.
I'm by no means saying carburetors doesn't work and I'm not saying they don't make power, I am saying that that running a carb on an engine when you already have the complete injection system (intake/fuel system and all needed accessories) is a huge step backwards when it's not really needed and I certainly wouldn't do it when staying EFI is cheaper- $1070 for the Terminator X versus Carbureted intake and controller for $900 and you still have to spend another $400-$500 for a decent carb.

 

OP, sorry I have no real practical solution to the issue. Just basic trouble shooting like unhook battery. Is there a way to make sure everything discharged from the wiring harness? I've heard touching the cars disconnected battery cables together can get everything completely discharged.

Sometimes a capacitor won't discharge etc and cause an electrical gremlin. We've all probably experienced that with a PC or other electrical equipment once or twice. That VATS resistor system can be a very frustrating thing. Turn it off in PCM, bypass it with resistor etc do both


Reminds me of an old joke. Why do divorces cost so much? Because they are so Worth It!

That's true of carbs too in a lot of racing applications. For a daily driver not asmuch due to fuel dilution of oil on start up.


This thread needs humor before Carbs vs Fuel Injection starts sounding like a religious schism. Both have their place for proper application and have plus & minus.









It would be fun to put a Q-Jet on an LS engine. The Q-Jet is my all time favorite carburator. I had a Lars (master of tuning) tuned one that was absolutely amazing on my 72 Vette for a long time. That Q-Jet was one of about five correctly tuned and dialed carburators I've seen in my life and I've been driving for 40 years That Q-Jet was effective, reliable, efficient and got the most out of the old SBC 350.

Real carburator masters can tune a Q-Jet to run as well as fuel injection. I would give .10 for the difference on a daily driver car...except in the winter.

The vette has a carb master tuned Demon now with the new motor...but it's not as good for a daily driver as the old Lars Q-Jet. It is better for HP.

FWIW - 100 mpg carburators...I remember that as very hot new story in the 1970's...from what I understand the carb is actually pretty much bypassed because the system runs off of fuel vapors pulled from the gas tank.

Patent-US4177779A for Fuel Economy System by Tom Ogle

Of course who says the patent office has a clue 😀

 

Found this article on the subject.

https://jalopnik.com/the-mpg-conspir...why-1562574926

 

I can tune both. Which one I use depends on intended purpose. EFI for street and any power adder, street or strip. Bracket racing gets a carb. Less stuff to go wrong.

 

Getting back to the original question, it is indeed supply and demand. I heard a fascinating interview with a guy from a logistics company a few days ago, who said that when the pandemic reached the US, people started spending less on activities (restaurants, movies, sports) and more on stuff (made overseas or made with parts/materials from overseas). Ocean shipping orders went up by 20%, and the ports couldn't handle that much additional volume. Can't load/unload boats fast enough, can't move containers around on shore fast enough, etc. Then the increased truck volume jammed the roads in and out of the ports. A lot of truckers get paid by the load, and they couldn't do as many loads per day because traffic was so bad, so the weren't making enough money, so enough of them quit to screw up the trucking side of the system as well. This is on top of lockdowns in China intermittently stopping ports and factories.

Retailers are running on thinner supply than usual, and consumers want to buy more than usual, so prices natually go up.

I've been waiting for an engine from Golen since May, mostly because the Dart block that was supposed to be here months ago only shipped a couple weeks ago. Meanwhile the pistons went out of stock, so we switched to another supplier, who says they'll have a set in 4 weeks, but we'll see...

I hate carbs by the way. It's like, "startup/idle, cruise, or top end, pick any two." And if I managed to get it dialed in the summer, I have to pick another two again in the winter. Fxxk them things.

 

Carbs.... in a nutshell....
And you are spot-on re: shipping/supply hassles.

 

Hi CK-32, I worked with PML to create the first LS Carbuater Intake Manifold. This project was SOLD to GPMM with Wegner machine/casting the intakes.
I was the first to crate a DIS ignition.

I have not raised prices DUE to Covid.

The others have, such as Make Something Dum.

I am here to Keep America Strong, send a PM if you would like some help.

 

What a joke. All this shows is your lack of ability and knowledge to tune a carb. When its tuned right, none of what you said comes into play. Let me guess, you don't even tune it with FI either, and never go to the track to see real world results. Another keyboard band wagoner.

 

If i had the patience to tune a carb myself, i'd run one. The only thing really better about efi is you can keep tuning with the laptop until you get the car driving and performing how you want it.

 

I’ll second this. Set up a carb properly, and the engine will run excellent in any condition. That ‘pick any two” statement had me rolling. Guys on here hating on carbs have never had one tuned right and prolly never even had the bowl off of one themselves. The gas smell will wash right off those hands guys, I promise.

 

That all depends on the climate you live in, A summer tune will be to lean in the winter in many places.
When I raced dirt cars and ran methanol you might go up or down a jet weekly.