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Old Apr 23, 2022 | 05:32 PM
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Does anyone see a problem running PAC 1218 springs rated for .600 lift on a .553 lift camshaft?
Word is, a spring is happier if ran to advertised open height.
I wanted to run this spring instead of the GM LS spring for it’s stronger closed/seat pressure.
90 vs 130.

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Old Apr 23, 2022 | 06:19 PM
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Those springs are supposedly 313 lbs/in. So if you shimmed them .050" extra, you'd have 145 lbs of seat pressure instead of 130. Maybe that's more than you want, but it'd let you work the spring harder.

That's assuming it even matters to the spring whether it's run at advertised height. I don't know the answer to that.
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Old Apr 24, 2022 | 02:27 PM
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The elgin cam guy told me it was better to have .025 extra spring vs running a .595 cam at .600 max lift spring thus i used pac 1219s .625 with a .575 lift cam. You can for sure see spring coil binding or maxing out when installing springs or even rotating the motor over with cam and springs installed no calve covers.
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Old Apr 27, 2022 | 10:18 AM
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I ran a .530 lift cam with those springs for awhile and now a .600 lift cam for a while with no problems.
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Old Apr 28, 2022 | 09:10 AM
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You guys are talking about lift and spring pressure but nothing on what valve size or weight of the valve. Not everyone runs exactly the same valves. Or maybe they do. Lol
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Old Apr 28, 2022 | 09:41 AM
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I ran the 1218 springs in stock 243 heads with an Elgin p1839 cam. It has 220/224 duration and .575/.575 lift. This setup gave me no issues at all.
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Old Apr 28, 2022 | 10:10 AM
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Running springs with more lift capacity than the cam has isn't a problem, only if you will be winding high enough that you want to prevent harmonics that getting it close to coil bind would prevent.
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Old May 3, 2022 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Jimbo1367
You guys are talking about lift and spring pressure but nothing on what valve size or weight of the valve. Not everyone runs exactly the same valves. Or maybe they do. Lol
I have the tsp 2.5 5.3 heads they use 2.02"/1.575" Stainless Steel Valves.
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That should be fine with stock valves. You can shim it for a little more seat pressure if needed--but that cam was designed for LS6 valve springs. So you'll be fine.
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
Running springs with more lift capacity than the cam has isn't a problem, only if you will be winding high enough that you want to prevent harmonics that getting it close to coil bind would prevent.
VERY good point! Theres also this, aimed at the OP: Max rated lift and coil bind are 2 distinctly different things!! You can have a spring that max rated lift is .600", but may not coil bind until .650" lift. Also a good point that Jimbo1367 posted, about not everyone runs the same weight valves!! You can have 2 identical looking 2.00" valves, and one may be 5-10 grams less than the other, and the lighter valve would need less spring. Just sayin'.......
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
Running springs with more lift capacity than the cam has isn't a problem, only if you will be winding high enough that you want to prevent harmonics that getting it close to coil bind would prevent.
I have never seen a single incident of what you describe, although I do "in theory" see how it could happen. Is your opinion based on actual fact or theory?
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Old May 14, 2022 | 10:06 AM
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Purely theory, Gametech, backed up by actual facts gleaned from these hallowed forums. Thanks for asking!
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Old May 15, 2022 | 10:52 AM
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Been running Howard springs (same as 1218) on a .556 custom cam for 5 years and 15psi no issue. I have 1218s on a summit stage 1 high lift cam which is .550 I think but only has idle time in the car since it’s not done yet but no issues with them so far.
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