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Old May 22, 2023 | 03:20 PM
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Mind you...I feel like this is user error...I installed all new pistons/rings like 5k-ish miles ago. I noticed degraded performance and smoking on deceleration, so I decided to pull the plugs, and found this:



So looks like cylinder #7 is the winner. I did a compression test...almost 0 psi in that cylinder. Pulled the head, then the piston...found this:







How in the world did that top ring overlap itself like that? Also...how did this not completely tear up my cylinder because it's as clean as a whistle?? Waiting for a new piston on order...I'm not a patient person. HAHA
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Old May 22, 2023 | 03:52 PM
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What were the rings gapped to?
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Old May 22, 2023 | 03:58 PM
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are you sure thats ring material and not piston material melted and smashed against the ring
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Old May 22, 2023 | 05:02 PM
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Without doubt two broken/blown piston ring lands. Check out the hole on ring land for the oil control ring.
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Old May 22, 2023 | 05:07 PM
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No question of it, the ring ends butted, and blew up the piston.

Root cause: not enough end gap.

That's messed up, with a capital F.

how did this not completely tear up my cylinder
Pure dumb luck. Looks like you need to buy a MegaMillions ticket RIGHT NOW.
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Old May 22, 2023 | 06:18 PM
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I’d like to see some good pics of the cylinder. Hard to believe it’s not hurt. Is this a forced induction build?
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Old May 22, 2023 | 06:49 PM
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What was this engine built for. NA, NOS or forced induction?
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Definitely butted the ring lands.

5K miles and the piston has that much build up on it??? Are you consuming oil???
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Old May 23, 2023 | 01:08 PM
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What were the rings gapped to?
I couldn't tell you off the top of my head, but I did do a bunch of research prior to doing all of this and had all the appropriate OEM numbers. It's quite possible I screwed up a measurement on this set of rings though.
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Originally Posted by RB04Av
No question of it, the ring ends butted, and blew up the piston.

Root cause: not enough end gap.

That's messed up, with a capital F.



Pure dumb luck. Looks like you need to buy a MegaMillions ticket RIGHT NOW.
I'll be triple checking the ring gap when putting this piston in for sure.
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Originally Posted by 01CamaroSSTx
What was this engine built for. NA, NOS or forced induction?
This was built for my 2004 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon - and I like the throttle (NA build).
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Old May 23, 2023 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 1FastBrick
Definitely butted the ring lands.

5K miles and the piston has that much build up on it??? Are you consuming oil???
Yes - it was consuming quite a bit of oil before I decided to rip in to it. I couldn't tell if it was coming from the leak I had, but when I fixed it and it started eating more oil...I figured it was time to go deeper.
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Old May 23, 2023 | 01:25 PM
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How does the cylinder wall look???
Was this a standard bore or bored over size???
How do the combustion chambers look on the heads???
How does that rod bearing look???
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Old May 23, 2023 | 01:31 PM
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How does the cylinder wall look???
Was this a standard bore or bored over size???
How do the combustion chambers look on the heads???
How does that rod bearing look???
Cylinder wall is smooth - no grooves/etc. Standard bore. Combustion chamber on the head is dirty from the oil burning, but otherwise looks good. Rod bearing looks immaculate - I did all the bearings when I put the new pistons/rings in. I'm generally a "lucky" person...at least that's what I've been told...so I'm just going to go with that and use this as a learning experience.
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Is there any crosshatch visible in the cylinder?

If you clean the combustion chamber off on the cylinder head and the top of the piston, Do you see any pitting?
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Also keep in mind that the missing parts of that piston are in the engine somewhere. Even if you’ve located the big pieces, there’s likely smalls somewhere.
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I would be rechecking all the ring gaps.
Were they file to fit rings?
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Old May 27, 2023 | 07:27 PM
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Got it all back together...seems to be running WAY better now.

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Sounds good.
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Yup, a V8 runs much better when firing on all 8!!
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