MTI S2 LS1/X1 Cam results inside... Head Flow Numbers, etc!!
03-26-2003, 09:32 PM
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Re: MTI S2 LS1/X1 Cam results inside... Head Flow Numbers, etc!! The X1 isnt exactly a "nitrous cam" either with more on the intake, less on exhaust. but 3 degrees shouldnt effect anything THAT much. Maybe beardWS6 will chime in, he has a setup nearly identical to yours and made quite a bit more power if I remember correctly. Good luck at the track! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
03-27-2003, 10:39 AM
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Re: MTI S2 LS1/X1 Cam results inside... Head Flow Numbers, etc!! I'd like to see what you dyno with an crank underdrive pulley and a catback, you are at the point where you can use a larger exhaust... Even a cutout would help... I see nothing wrong with your NA numbers, I don't know what Jayson does for tuning, but I bet he scaled back your WOT timing advance and has you at a more conservative AF ratio to make the car safer on spray. You might be at 12:1 AF at WOT as opposed to some of the NA monsters that are at 13:1 AF.
Your spray torque numbers are low, I would have dynoed with 1000 psi bottle pressure your 100 shot was like a 50-70 shot at 850 bottle pressure.
Your spray torque numbers are low, I would have dynoed with 1000 psi bottle pressure your 100 shot was like a 50-70 shot at 850 bottle pressure.
03-27-2003, 06:36 PM
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Re: MTI S2 LS1/X1 Cam results inside... Head Flow Numbers, etc!! Not sure how much different our converters are, I have a 3200 Vig & with just Long tubes, ORY, a B1 cam, & a lid I put down 375RWTQ on MTI's dyno. Maybe it's just a bad N20 fill or you got a grimlin running around that needs to be found...??
Keep us posted on your #'s.
Keep us posted on your #'s.
03-27-2003, 07:06 PM
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Re: MTI S2 LS1/X1 Cam results inside... Head Flow Numbers, etc!! Sure will, Ill be heading for the track tomorrow and Ill post my #'s, Before and After <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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Re: MTI S2 LS1/X1 Cam results inside... Head Flow Numbers, etc!! At least you already got the 12 bolt taken care of <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" /> Don't beat on her too bad at the track now <img border="0" alt="[burn out]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_burnout.gif" />
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Re: MTI S2 LS1/X1 Cam results inside... Head Flow Numbers, etc!! The numbers seem sort of close for what mods he has a friend of mine has the same setup down here. Here is his sig. If i rember right he had 23 degrees of timing.
2001 WS6, Black A4, MTI S2/X1 cam,Ported TB, GMAF, LID,T-Rex-fuel pump, 30 lb injectors, LS1 Edit,(Very Safely Tuned) FLP, ORP, Corsa,100 wet shot,12-bolt, 3.73, Vig 3200,All BMR Suspension,Eibach lower springs, 315 Nitto`s on back, and not enough!!
N/A RWHP 414 RWTQ 381
100 shot RWHP 549 RWTQ 553
2001 WS6, Black A4, MTI S2/X1 cam,Ported TB, GMAF, LID,T-Rex-fuel pump, 30 lb injectors, LS1 Edit,(Very Safely Tuned) FLP, ORP, Corsa,100 wet shot,12-bolt, 3.73, Vig 3200,All BMR Suspension,Eibach lower springs, 315 Nitto`s on back, and not enough!!
N/A RWHP 414 RWTQ 381
100 shot RWHP 549 RWTQ 553
03-27-2003, 11:53 PM
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Re: MTI S2 LS1/X1 Cam results inside... Head Flow Numbers, etc!! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by wicked 98z:
<strong> The numbers seem sort of close for what mods he has a friend of mine has the same setup down here. Here is his sig. If i rember right he had 23 degrees of timing.
2001 WS6, Black A4, MTI S2/X1 cam,Ported TB, GMAF, LID,T-Rex-fuel pump, 30 lb injectors, LS1 Edit,(Very Safely Tuned) FLP, ORP, Corsa,100 wet shot,12-bolt, 3.73, Vig 3200,All BMR Suspension,Eibach lower springs, 315 Nitto`s on back, and not enough!!
N/A RWHP 414 RWTQ 381
100 shot RWHP 549 RWTQ 553 </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Im 100% sure this is BeardWS6's Sig, am I right? Geez I wish I could getthat torque like he did, but g well..Iwonder if His Times N/A were with his Converter Locked or Unlocked...Hmm
<strong> The numbers seem sort of close for what mods he has a friend of mine has the same setup down here. Here is his sig. If i rember right he had 23 degrees of timing.
2001 WS6, Black A4, MTI S2/X1 cam,Ported TB, GMAF, LID,T-Rex-fuel pump, 30 lb injectors, LS1 Edit,(Very Safely Tuned) FLP, ORP, Corsa,100 wet shot,12-bolt, 3.73, Vig 3200,All BMR Suspension,Eibach lower springs, 315 Nitto`s on back, and not enough!!
N/A RWHP 414 RWTQ 381
100 shot RWHP 549 RWTQ 553 </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Im 100% sure this is BeardWS6's Sig, am I right? Geez I wish I could getthat torque like he did, but g well..Iwonder if His Times N/A were with his Converter Locked or Unlocked...Hmm
03-28-2003, 09:09 AM
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Re: MTI S2 LS1/X1 Cam results inside... Head Flow Numbers, etc!! Well that's the thing.... the numbers are not similar.
Here's what Albert posted:
N/A 414RWHP 381 RWTQ
100 shot 549 RWHP 553 RWTQ
His numbers were:
N/A 393rwhp 362rwtq
100 shot 482rwhp 419rwtq
So.... how are those similar? The only thing similar are the torque numbers, but they're still 20 off N/A, and 130 off on gas.
Doesn't look too "similar" to me for the exact same kind of combination.
Here's what Albert posted:
N/A 414RWHP 381 RWTQ
100 shot 549 RWHP 553 RWTQ
His numbers were:
N/A 393rwhp 362rwtq
100 shot 482rwhp 419rwtq
So.... how are those similar? The only thing similar are the torque numbers, but they're still 20 off N/A, and 130 off on gas.
Doesn't look too "similar" to me for the exact same kind of combination.
03-29-2003, 01:17 PM
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Re: MTI S2 LS1/X1 Cam results inside... Head Flow Numbers, etc!! That's not that bad.... my friend who did the heads on my car and did all the design work on my car, he did a C5 Vette (6-speed) that went 10.51 @ 137mph with only a 1.6 60' <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> . I'm sure you've seen him post, his name is Jason98TA.
Not that bad for a 6-speed car at all. He sprayed a TNT 150-shot.
Anyway, congratulations on the times. Looks like the car is running strong. The MPH is kind of low, but that doesn't matter as much as the ET does. Now.... all you have left to do is fix the problem with it hitting the limiter. It might be time to get a built transmission (I know someone selling one very cheap)!
Can you post copies of the timeslips?
Not that bad for a 6-speed car at all. He sprayed a TNT 150-shot.
Anyway, congratulations on the times. Looks like the car is running strong. The MPH is kind of low, but that doesn't matter as much as the ET does. Now.... all you have left to do is fix the problem with it hitting the limiter. It might be time to get a built transmission (I know someone selling one very cheap)!
Can you post copies of the timeslips?
03-29-2003, 02:43 PM
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Re: MTI S2 LS1/X1 Cam results inside... Head Flow Numbers, etc!! I dont know how to post timeslips, I have a scanner but dont know how to use it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> But there are a few people on teh board that Can tell u my car hit that time. I bought the 150 shot jets and upgraded the Nozzle so lets see what happens again on Friday... <img border="0" alt="[burn out]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_burnout.gif" />
03-29-2003, 02:43 PM
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Re: MTI S2 LS1/X1 Cam results inside... Head Flow Numbers, etc!! I dont know how to post timeslips, I have a scanner but dont know how to use it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> But there are a few people on teh board that Can tell u my car hit that time. I bought the 150 shot jets and upgraded the Nozzle so lets see what happens again on Friday... <img border="0" alt="[burn out]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_burnout.gif" />
I just called MTI and they were really nice about it and told me to mail the computer in and they would ship it out the next day.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
I just called MTI and they were really nice about it and told me to mail the computer in and they would ship it out the next day.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
03-29-2003, 03:20 PM
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Re: MTI S2 LS1/X1 Cam results inside... Head Flow Numbers, etc!! haha.... i'm not saying that I don't believe you, I just wanted to see the timeslip, that's all. Type it out... I just want to see things like 60', 330', and that kind of information.
Once again, congratulations!
Once again, congratulations!
03-30-2003, 12:02 AM
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Re: MTI S2 LS1/X1 Cam results inside... Head Flow Numbers, etc!! I have the results:
The last time I went to the track before the H/C I ran a 12.7@108. Yesterday We let it cool down and ran it, Results a 12.3@111 with a 1.77 60 ft. 2nd Run: 12.32@111 again..My car in OVERDDROVE was banging the crap out of the limiter on the 1-2 shift. My 60 fts are worst then when I didnt have h/c, so the track might not have been all that great either..
Well, I was <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> for a while my friends told me "Just spray 100 shot on her and see what happens." I didnt want to b/c I was hitting the limiter, but I said oh well JUST 100 shot...Results: 11.4@121 MPH! I was so <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> bc before the h/c and tuning, with 150 shot my car would only gain 7 tenths. So with 100 shot I gained almost a second, and I banged the limiter badly.
So I put her in line again b/c I almost hit the guard rail and let of on teh 11.4. So I launched, hooked OK RESULTS: 11.069@121 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> I was so SUPRISED! Thats bc I HIT the Limiter BADLY and I would let off so it wouldnt be to badly. I know I couldve gone high 10's with a 100 shot but they wouldnt let me run anymore..I plan to put a roll cage in the car and spray 150 shot and call me crazy, but I think I can pull of a 10.4-10.5 with 150 shot.
Note: I ran the 11.0 hitting the limiter and letting off the gas on and off...on 100 shot..
I told Jayson to tune the car for Nitrous..AND thats exactly what I think he did! Im suprised..ON MOTOR: I think I can squeeze a 12.0 bc my 60 were .1 slower than usual..
Overall: I wish that MTI would have just tested the car and known I was hitting the 1-2 shift. There were like 3 MTI cars hitting the limiter on the 1-2 shift <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" /> it gets to u!
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The last time I went to the track before the H/C I ran a 12.7@108. Yesterday We let it cool down and ran it, Results a 12.3@111 with a 1.77 60 ft. 2nd Run: 12.32@111 again..My car in OVERDDROVE was banging the crap out of the limiter on the 1-2 shift. My 60 fts are worst then when I didnt have h/c, so the track might not have been all that great either..
Well, I was <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> for a while my friends told me "Just spray 100 shot on her and see what happens." I didnt want to b/c I was hitting the limiter, but I said oh well JUST 100 shot...Results: 11.4@121 MPH! I was so <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> bc before the h/c and tuning, with 150 shot my car would only gain 7 tenths. So with 100 shot I gained almost a second, and I banged the limiter badly.
So I put her in line again b/c I almost hit the guard rail and let of on teh 11.4. So I launched, hooked OK RESULTS: 11.069@121 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> I was so SUPRISED! Thats bc I HIT the Limiter BADLY and I would let off so it wouldnt be to badly. I know I couldve gone high 10's with a 100 shot but they wouldnt let me run anymore..I plan to put a roll cage in the car and spray 150 shot and call me crazy, but I think I can pull of a 10.4-10.5 with 150 shot.
Note: I ran the 11.0 hitting the limiter and letting off the gas on and off...on 100 shot..
I told Jayson to tune the car for Nitrous..AND thats exactly what I think he did! Im suprised..ON MOTOR: I think I can squeeze a 12.0 bc my 60 were .1 slower than usual..
Overall: I wish that MTI would have just tested the car and known I was hitting the 1-2 shift. There were like 3 MTI cars hitting the limiter on the 1-2 shift <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" /> it gets to u!
MTI <img border="0" alt="[worship]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" />
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03-30-2003, 12:05 AM
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Re: MTI S2 LS1/X1 Cam results inside... Head Flow Numbers, etc!! BTW: My car has NO WEIGHT REDUCTION, and on Nitrous dont forget I had only 409 RWTQ, so again, Dyno numbers, dont mean anything <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: MTI S2 LS1/X1 Cam results inside... Head Flow Numbers, etc!! Nice times. I did get to the track the other night. On motor and spray I had a hard time hooking! The nitto`s don`t like the power I have. On motor I ran N/A
60ft 1.7
1/8 7.7
1/4 12.1
113.0 mph
Spray- ran twice. I shut it down early the first time by mistake!
60ft 1.9
1/4 12.0
108.5 mph
2nd run
60ft 1.9
1/4 11.7
121.5 mph
I just got me some E/T to run on. I had major tire spin and my race weight was 3855lbs! They got on to me for my time(11.7) without a cage so I didn`t spray again. My car is at MTI getting a cage and line-lock. New times coming! I believe something went wroung on your dyno. I believe you have more power than that! I`m hoping for 11.7-11.8 on motor and 10.8-10.9 on spray. Good Luck!
60ft 1.7
1/8 7.7
1/4 12.1
113.0 mph
Spray- ran twice. I shut it down early the first time by mistake!
60ft 1.9
1/4 12.0
108.5 mph
2nd run
60ft 1.9
1/4 11.7
121.5 mph
I just got me some E/T to run on. I had major tire spin and my race weight was 3855lbs! They got on to me for my time(11.7) without a cage so I didn`t spray again. My car is at MTI getting a cage and line-lock. New times coming! I believe something went wroung on your dyno. I believe you have more power than that! I`m hoping for 11.7-11.8 on motor and 10.8-10.9 on spray. Good Luck!
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Re: MTI S2 LS1/X1 Cam results inside... Head Flow Numbers, etc!! My Nitrous Pass was:
60ft- 1.52
1/8- 7.0
1/4- 11.069 @ 121- 100 shot hitting all shifts, no weight reduction, no skinnies, No Free mods, Stock---->Catback, Pullies, Throttle Body, Suspension, MAF, etc.
Ill get the slip tomorrow morning and give u the MPH on the 1/8th.
60ft- 1.52
1/8- 7.0
1/4- 11.069 @ 121- 100 shot hitting all shifts, no weight reduction, no skinnies, No Free mods, Stock---->Catback, Pullies, Throttle Body, Suspension, MAF, etc.
Ill get the slip tomorrow morning and give u the MPH on the 1/8th.
