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Old May 27, 2024 | 07:55 PM
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I'm currently putting together a lq4 408 and am looking for cam recommendations.
Iron block 6.0
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trickflow 215 heads (I know they are probably a bit on the small side for a 408 but they were free with the car)
Fast LSXR 92 intake
Engine is going into my 05' CTSV, looking to hopefully make 500hp
This car will not be a daily driver more of a fun weekend street car.
I am not a expert by any means at picking cams, currently I am between the BTR stage 4 NA 233/248 .630"/.615" 111.5+2.5 and the BTR 400+NA CAMSHAFT V2 236/25X, .636"/.636", 114 LSA but unsure which is the best one to use.
Also am looking for advice on ring end gap I plan to run this engine NA its entire life, I currently have the the gaps set to 0.020" on the top ring and 0.023" on the second ring. just wondering if this was enough gap or if I should go more?
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Originally Posted by Fireballmatt15
I'm currently putting together a lq4 408 and am looking for cam recommendations.
Iron block 6.0
11.1:1 compression
trickflow 215 heads (I know they are probably a bit on the small side for a 408 but they were free with the car)
Fast LSXR 92 intake
Engine is going into my 05' CTSV, looking to hopefully make 500hp
This car will not be a daily driver more of a fun weekend street car.
I am not a expert by any means at picking cams, currently I am between the BTR stage 4 NA 233/248 .630"/.615" 111.5+2.5 and the BTR 400+NA CAMSHAFT V2 236/25X, .636"/.636", 114 LSA but unsure which is the best one to use.
Also am looking for advice on ring end gap I plan to run this engine NA its entire life, I currently have the the gaps set to 0.020" on the top ring and 0.023" on the second ring. just wondering if this was enough gap or if I should go more?
You can run considerably less naturally aspirated. .017/.020 with a forged piston (thicker lands) is very safe.
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Old May 27, 2024 | 08:40 PM
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You can run considerably less naturally aspirated. .017/.020 with a forged piston (thicker lands) is very safe.
So my gaps should be good or should I get another set and file them tighter? I do have one that I accidentally filed too much and is at about 0.024 on the top ring and 0.025 on the bottom, is that ok or should I get a new set?
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Old May 27, 2024 | 10:19 PM
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For a fun weekend street car build, you’ll be fine. If you were chasing a dyno number, looking for a max effort build, I’d say buy another set of rings, but in what your building, you’ll be fine as-is.
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Too much ring gap is virtually never an issue, too little is always an issue.

.020 and .023 is just fine.
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Old May 28, 2024 | 04:13 PM
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Too much ring gap is virtually never an issue, too little is always an issue.
^^^ This ^^^

​​​​​​​Send it as-is. It'll be fine.
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I would never buy a cam that doesn't have full specs listed. Call cam motion they will see you straight. 500 wheel will take quite a bit of cam. Probably 244/256 112ish 650 lift.
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Old May 29, 2024 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Bspeck82
I would never buy a cam that doesn't have full specs listed. Call cam motion they will see you straight. 500 wheel will take quite a bit of cam. Probably 244/256 112ish 650 lift.
So do you think 500 wheel might be a bit unrealistic? I was thinking it would be easily achievable but now I’m second guessing that. If this 408 makes less horsepower than the ls1 (430hp) that was in the car previously I will sell it lol.
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Cam Motion Custom
~238*/246* 114*+2* .621"/.604"
should easily make 600 @ crank & ~ 500 wheel (manual trans)
with a good exhaust no need for more than +8* exhaust split,
will tune and drive great.
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Originally Posted by Fireballmatt15
So do you think 500 wheel might be a bit unrealistic? I was thinking it would be easily achievable but now I’m second guessing that. If this 408 makes less horsepower than the ls1 (430hp) that was in the car previously I will sell it lol.
I had a similar combo through a 9" and a 4l60e. 402 with Tsp 225 as casts, msd intake, 236/245 112 cam, header exhaust and all that. Made 470ish wheel locked.
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Well I filled out a cam recommendation form for cam motion about a week ago and still haven't heard back, also filled one out for comp. . Neither have responded yet so we will se what they recommend when I get a response.
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Originally Posted by Fireballmatt15
Well I filled out a cam recommendation form for cam motion about a week ago and still haven't heard back, also filled one out for comp. . Neither have responded yet so we will se what they recommend when I get a response.
I would also try tick performance if you don't hear back.
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Old Jun 4, 2024 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bspeck82
I would also try tick performance if you don't hear back.
Just filled one out for them too thanks. hopefully I’ll hear back from one of them.
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Just heard back from tick they recommended their stage one stroker cam 236/245 .625”/.610” LSA112+3 they also recommended I ditch the tfs215’s in favor for a set of 235’s. So now the question is do I sell the 215’s and get a set of 235’s or do I completely go a different route and get a set of ls3 heads?

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Cam motion responded recommending a 244/250 Duration @ .050'' 111.5 LSA, 108 ICL (111.5+3.5) .621''/.604'' lift with 1.7 rockers. Opinions?

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