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Old Oct 1, 2024 | 08:24 AM
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I am reminded of the old Jalopnick article by Tavarish titled "bmw engines are gigantic pieces of ****". As I recall, the comments section got interesting pretty quickly on that one.
As I imagine it just might..... LOL!
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Old Oct 1, 2024 | 07:59 PM
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My first thought: Spend money on a good oiling system over anything else. A completely stock bottom end will get you 7000+ RPM, it's the valvetrain that needs to be upgraded, especially for sustained high RPM. A 5.3 isn't the best engine to start with, as the longer stroke and smaller bore can inhibit high RPM breathing. This is why the smaller 4.8 liter engines love to rev, even though they share a bore size with the 5.3. If you're going as far as to put together a forged rotating assembly, why even keep the LM7 iron block? That's going to slow you down and amplify understeer by making you nose heavy. If you want to keep it, have it bored out to LS1 size and it will be a 5.7 liter, which will easily meet your 400 HP goal ( I'm assuming you meant RWHP ). One thing to note, a 4.8 and a 5.3 that are fitted with identical cams, heads, valvetrain and intake manifolds will make within about 10HP of each other, but the 4.8 will peak out around 1200-1500 RPM higher than the 5.3.( the 4.8 makes quite a bit less peak torque, however ). If revs are what you're after, going slightly smaller will make that easier to accomplish. If it were my build? I'd go find an L33 or LH6 aluminum block, bore it to LS1 size and install a 4.8 crank. Install Summit ProLS domed pistons and H-beam rods, then mill a set of 706 heads to 58CC and have them CNC ported with lightweight valves. 312 cubic inches, about 11.7:1 compression, and 8K RPM ability. Should also make over 500 crank horsepower with ease. I'm sure others with more experience in the road race realm will chime in.
Hello, 1 thing that is a must especially road racing is a timing chain damper. A while back there was a member that was selling tcd . Im not sure Their name but You probably can find Him by searching tcd . The reason You have to have 1 in an LS platform or really just about any engine is engine RPM's during road racing spend a high %age of the time between 3000-3500 and in that range there are some harmonics that left unchecked can/ will reap havoc on the chain and the damper negates that issue. Also the 5.3l iron block aluminum heads weighs in at roughly 500-525 lbs. The LS1 aluminum block/heads weighs 430 lbs.
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Old Oct 10, 2024 | 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by LS1Formulation
My first thought: Spend money on a good oiling system over anything else. A completely stock bottom end will get you 7000+ RPM, it's the valvetrain that needs to be upgraded, especially for sustained high RPM. A 5.3 isn't the best engine to start with, as the longer stroke and smaller bore can inhibit high RPM breathing. This is why the smaller 4.8 liter engines love to rev, even though they share a bore size with the 5.3. If you're going as far as to put together a forged rotating assembly, why even keep the LM7 iron block? That's going to slow you down and amplify understeer by making you nose heavy. If you want to keep it, have it bored out to LS1 size and it will be a 5.7 liter, which will easily meet your 400 HP goal ( I'm assuming you meant RWHP ). One thing to note, a 4.8 and a 5.3 that are fitted with identical cams, heads, valvetrain and intake manifolds will make within about 10HP of each other, but the 4.8 will peak out around 1200-1500 RPM higher than the 5.3.( the 4.8 makes quite a bit less peak torque, however ). If revs are what you're after, going slightly smaller will make that easier to accomplish. If it were my build? I'd go find an L33 or LH6 aluminum block, bore it to LS1 size and install a 4.8 crank. Install Summit ProLS domed pistons and H-beam rods, then mill a set of 706 heads to 58CC and have them CNC ported with lightweight valves. 312 cubic inches, about 11.7:1 compression, and 8K RPM ability. Should also make over 500 crank horsepower with ease. I'm sure others with more experience in the road race realm will chime in.
Do you have any reference motors or forums? I kinda wanna put a grocery list of parts and see how much it would run me. Really interested in this motor idea.
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Old Oct 15, 2024 | 01:24 PM
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Honestly, I just came up with that combo off the top of my head. Knowing what works with LS engines and engine design in general, I felt that would be a stout combination. I know zero about road racing ( although that's going to change with my new daily, a 2013 VW GTI ) so I don't want to make any road course specific recommendations. One thing I can tell you is, Summit makes their H-Beam rods in a 4.8 liter length ( approximately ), so the engine would have a killer rod to stroke ratio as well.
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Old Oct 16, 2024 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by LS1Formulation
Honestly, I just came up with that combo off the top of my head. Knowing what works with LS engines and engine design in general, I felt that would be a stout combination. I know zero about road racing ( although that's going to change with my new daily, a 2013 VW GTI ) so I don't want to make any road course specific recommendations. One thing I can tell you is, Summit makes their H-Beam rods in a 4.8 liter length ( approximately ), so the engine would have a killer rod to stroke ratio as well.
I can’t for the life of me find anything relating a setup like this. I want to try it but I’d like to do it right. Yall know any engine builder to reach out to? All the contacts I’ve tried brush me off :/ Ima make a new post and see if I can turn any heads.
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Old Oct 17, 2024 | 10:04 AM
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I get all my machining done through Steve Morris Engines, but he's local to me so it's easier. His work is top notch, however. I know there are a few builders on the site here, I'm sure if you make a feeler post someone will reply.
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Old Oct 17, 2024 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by LS1Formulation
I get all my machining done through Steve Morris Engines, but he's local to me so it's easier. His work is top notch, however. I know there are a few builders on the site here, I'm sure if you make a feeler post someone will reply.
Is it worth the ferry ride across Lake Michigan to get my engine worked on there? lol. I’m local to Milwaukee.
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Old Oct 21, 2024 | 09:35 AM
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I would say so. I had my block cleaned, bored, torque plate honed, align honed, decked, and pipe plugs installed in the DOD passages for just under $1500.
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