TR224 - 112 or 114 LSA?
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Re: TR224 - 112 or 114 LSA? What is your car? A4 or M6? I have the 224-114 in my A4 and it drives very nice on the street. I bumped my idle up with Edit and changed the required tables to prevent misfire codes. I have had ZERO problems with this cam. Pulls nicely up to my 6600 shift point. Car ran 11.95 @ 113 in 40 degree temps, full interior, lowered on Nittos. Its a great cam and VERY streetable.
Re: TR224 - 112 or 114 LSA? It's a 2002 SS with an M6. I've got a few other mods planned to go with this cam (ported TB, SLP MAF, headers, etc). Right now I'm leaning with the 114 LSA just for drivability and so I won't need that much tuning. This is my daily driver, like I said. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Re: TR224 - 112 or 114 LSA? If the power difference is negligible, then I'd rather not have all the lope. That's why I was wondering if anyone had any actual numbers, or estimates of power between the two.
Re: TR224 - 112 or 114 LSA? If you don't want lope then go with the 114. By going with the 114 over the 112 you will have to spin the motor higher than the 112. That is why I chose the 112.
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Re: TR224 - 112 or 114 LSA? no...other way around...the 112 is better with higher gears because it will not have as much low end torque.
that "spin it higher" is kind of a missunderstood thing.
The 114 has a "wider" power band. It will not make as much "peak" hp but it will make hp over a larger area.
The 112 makes its power in a narrower band. It will make "more" hp but it will fall off quicker.
I'm running a 112 lsa in my M6 (I have 3.73s). The car is VERY strong between 3500 and 5000 but by 5500 I can tell I have passed the max torque and it feels like its time to shift. Its kind of nice because I never have to spin the engine into the 6000s (RPM kills...). It also sounds meaner.
Chris
that "spin it higher" is kind of a missunderstood thing.
The 114 has a "wider" power band. It will not make as much "peak" hp but it will make hp over a larger area.
The 112 makes its power in a narrower band. It will make "more" hp but it will fall off quicker.
I'm running a 112 lsa in my M6 (I have 3.73s). The car is VERY strong between 3500 and 5000 but by 5500 I can tell I have passed the max torque and it feels like its time to shift. Its kind of nice because I never have to spin the engine into the 6000s (RPM kills...). It also sounds meaner.
Chris
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Re: TR224 - 112 or 114 LSA? No with that cam your gona need 3.73's regaurdless. But the thing with spinning the motor higher is that your gona have a higher shift point with that 114 than you would with that 112. For example lets say with the 114 your shift point may be 6600, with the 112 it would be 6400 or so. Now these are only examples and not acual numbers <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: TR224 - 112 or 114 LSA? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 2001CamaroGuy:
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I'm running a 112 lsa in my M6 (I have 3.73s). The car is VERY strong between 3500 and 5000 but by 5500 I can tell I have passed the max torque and it feels like its time to shift. Its kind of nice because I never have to spin the engine into the 6000s (RPM kills...). It also sounds meaner.
Chris </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not at all like my car. Makes great power 3000 and up but when it hits 4000-4500 it goes like a bat out of hell. Mine pulls strong all the way to 6600. It keeps pulling until there and carries that power easy to my 6800 rev limiter.
I try to shift at 6200-6400 to save the bottom end.
I would go with the 114 since the idle is a bit better. From what I understand Thunder says they see very little difference in the powerbands even though in theory it should differ by around 200 rpm.
Good luck!
<small>[ April 03, 2003, 08:14 PM: Message edited by: Brownie ]</small>
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I'm running a 112 lsa in my M6 (I have 3.73s). The car is VERY strong between 3500 and 5000 but by 5500 I can tell I have passed the max torque and it feels like its time to shift. Its kind of nice because I never have to spin the engine into the 6000s (RPM kills...). It also sounds meaner.
Chris </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not at all like my car. Makes great power 3000 and up but when it hits 4000-4500 it goes like a bat out of hell. Mine pulls strong all the way to 6600. It keeps pulling until there and carries that power easy to my 6800 rev limiter.
I try to shift at 6200-6400 to save the bottom end.
I would go with the 114 since the idle is a bit better. From what I understand Thunder says they see very little difference in the powerbands even though in theory it should differ by around 200 rpm.
Good luck!
<small>[ April 03, 2003, 08:14 PM: Message edited by: Brownie ]</small>
Re: TR224 - 112 or 114 LSA? u dont need 3.73's to make good power from a cam. Hell i only run 3.23's <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
plus i have my shift points set at 6450 and on atap I see them shifting around 6400. I have the Comp Cam 224/224 .563 114 cam
I havent seen where the 112's are making a whole lot of difference over a 114 yet <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
But HP dont mean squat. I like track ET's
I cant wait to get heads to go with my cam <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> And 3.73's since everyone says they help so much more <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
plus i have my shift points set at 6450 and on atap I see them shifting around 6400. I have the Comp Cam 224/224 .563 114 cam
I havent seen where the 112's are making a whole lot of difference over a 114 yet <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
But HP dont mean squat. I like track ET's
I cant wait to get heads to go with my cam <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> And 3.73's since everyone says they help so much more <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
TR224 - 112 or 114 LSA? What're the power and idle differences between both? This is going to be going on a daily driver, and I'm hoping not to have to tune very much. I'm kinda fuzzy on the difference. Help! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Thanks.
Re: TR224 - 112 or 114 LSA? I went with the 114 in hopes to kill a little low speed tourqe because i run my car on street tires.Plus i wanted a little bit better idle.I will be installing it with my gtp stage 2s in a couple weeks and hope to see at least 7 mph.I care more about the mph than the et.
Re: TR224 - 112 or 114 LSA? I've got the 224 112 in an M6. Same comments:
"Not at all like my car. Makes great power 3000 and up but when it hits 4000-4500 it goes like a bat out of hell. Mine pulls strong all the way to 6600. It keeps pulling until there and carries that power easy to my 6800 rev limiter"
However I shift at 6600 ( Harlan light ) and rev limit is 6800. Once I dyno I'll know better but it pulls HARD to 6600 now. Looking very forward to a 12-bolt with either 4:11's or 4:30's.
Also to address the post, my car has lope but it's not noticeable in the car with regards to shaking. Plus the idle is at 900. So I think the 112 is just fine; I also daily drive this one.
<small>[ April 04, 2003, 08:47 PM: Message edited by: Viper ]</small>
"Not at all like my car. Makes great power 3000 and up but when it hits 4000-4500 it goes like a bat out of hell. Mine pulls strong all the way to 6600. It keeps pulling until there and carries that power easy to my 6800 rev limiter"
However I shift at 6600 ( Harlan light ) and rev limit is 6800. Once I dyno I'll know better but it pulls HARD to 6600 now. Looking very forward to a 12-bolt with either 4:11's or 4:30's.
Also to address the post, my car has lope but it's not noticeable in the car with regards to shaking. Plus the idle is at 900. So I think the 112 is just fine; I also daily drive this one.
<small>[ April 04, 2003, 08:47 PM: Message edited by: Viper ]</small>
Re: TR224 - 112 or 114 LSA? I've heard both a 224 112 LSA and 224 114 LSA idle and couldn't tell the difference in sound. My theory is once you get over a certain duration level, two degrees of duration doesn't make a whole lot of difference. I'd go with the 112 LSA so it peaks 200 rpm lower.
Re: TR224 - 112 or 114 LSA? i have the mti 222/222 112 hammer cam in my m6. idles great,sounds great,with 3.73's i noticed no bottom hp loss and it helped me get 430hp at 6,400rpm's and the hp did'nt drop hard till near 7,000rpm's. ow yeah,and i don't have a sewing machine sound either. goodluck to ya man.
Re: TR224 - 112 or 114 LSA? I'll add my input <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
If you're not gonna get tuning the daily-driveable idle might be a concern unless you drill your TB plate hole a bit.
Power difference has been explained.
My power curve is as flat as a runway model from peak to 6800 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
That's why I shift at 66XX rpm.
If you're not gonna get tuning the daily-driveable idle might be a concern unless you drill your TB plate hole a bit.
Power difference has been explained.
My power curve is as flat as a runway model from peak to 6800 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
That's why I shift at 66XX rpm.
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Re: TR224 - 112 or 114 LSA? One thing no one has mentioned is the emissions. The 114 ought to help out a bit if your like me (here in NC) and live in a state that requires such. Hell if i lived in any county other than Mecklenburg (Charlotte for out of towners) it really wouldnt be a problem but asking someone to pass you when your not smog legal in Meck., hell you might as well ask them to borrow their woman for the night.
