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Old 10-02-2004 | 10:57 PM
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Why don't you just go with a custom cam. I recommend Comp, but that's just a personal opinion. There's no such a thing as a perfect 'shelf' cam. It's ALWAYS best to have one ground to your head specs.
Old 10-02-2004 | 11:28 PM
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what kinda time whould 500rwhp put me in in a car with some weight reduction
Old 10-02-2004 | 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 1984camaroz28
what kinda time whould 500rwhp put me in in a car with some weight reduction

theres no static calculation, just gotta get out there and run. to many variables to could of, would of, should of.
Old 10-02-2004 | 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 1984camaroz28
what kinda time whould 500rwhp put me in in a car with some weight reduction
http://www.battleoftheimports.com/cl...battlecalc.htm

http://www.web-cars.com/math/qtr_mile.html

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4601/hpcalc.html

http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/dangrou...horsecalc.html

MANY more where those came from. Pick one...
Old 10-02-2004 | 11:46 PM
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Not 100% accurate, but a starting point...
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Originally Posted by jrp
01-z just did 10.6@126 cam only, you can bet he's nowhere near 500rwhp .
JRP brings up an excellent point here. Power isn't the only thing that determines your ET. Gearing and Raceweight are also HUGE factors. If you figure that 01-Z is making 440RWHP (I actually have no idea how much he's making) his car has to be very light and geared for the track to run a 10.6.

Another good example is Lee's (FEAR THE LS1) setup. He made 481 RWHP and 545 RWTQ and at a 3,470lb raceweight went 10.36 @ 131. Keep in mind he made that power through a TH400, 4" Steel Driveshaft, 12-Bolt, and 29" Slicks. At a 3,280lb raceweight he went a 10.11 @ 132 MPH. A 200lb drop in raceweight gained him .2, which is huge when you're in a class as close as Factory Stock.

The point here is that there is more to going fast than making good dyno numbers.
Old 10-03-2004 | 12:12 AM
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Didn't he say he was running a 4400 stall allready? Hence he has an auto. I might be thinking wrong here, but 500 rwhp is hard enough to hit on an m6, but an auto? I can't see that happening. Not on a 346 anyways, but who knows.
Old 10-03-2004 | 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by mnc2886
Didn't he say he was running a 4400 stall allready? Hence he has an auto. I might be thinking wrong here, but 500 rwhp is hard enough to hit on an m6, but an auto? I can't see that happening. Not on a 346 anyways, but who knows.
Let's take Lee's car as our starting point. Change out the steel rods for aluminum rods, switch to low-tension rings, add a vacume pump and a dry-sump oiling system, a sheet-metal intake manifold, a little more compression and that'll get you over the 500RWHP hump, even through a less than efficient drivetrain.

All it takes is $$$ and a willingness to have a 'track-only' car.
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...All it takes is $$$ ....
Sounds like it. Cool info.
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Originally Posted by KingCrapBox
It might not make any power at all.

The T-Rex cam was never designed to run with modified cylinder heads. PTV with stock cylinder heads is close enough as it is. You'd be better off using a cam that is designed to work with ported cylinder heads.
that is not true. you just can not use milled heads. a trex will respond very nicely to heads just as any other cam will.
Old 10-03-2004 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by WinMan
that is not true. you just can not use milled heads. a trex will respond very nicely to heads just as any other cam will.
What about the use of 2.02/2.055 intake valves and 1.60 exhaust valves?
Old 10-03-2004 | 12:37 PM
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I think APE had 383 shorts on special for 3700 or something?

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Talk to the guys at HPE, the will hook you up.
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Originally Posted by KingCrapBox
The T-Rex cam was never designed to run with modified cylinder heads. PTV with stock cylinder heads is close enough as it is. You'd be better off using a cam that is designed to work with ported cylinder heads.
I hope you mean that the T-ReX was never designed to run with modified cylinder heads without flycut pistons, not simply that it was designed for use strictly in stock-headed applications.

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Originally Posted by Josh
I hope you mean that the T-ReX was never designed to run with modified cylinder heads without flycut pistons, not simply that it was designed for use strictly in stock-headed applications.

Josh
I don't think Thunder Racing ever designed this cam to be used with modified cylinder heads. If so, the cam wouldn't be as radical as it is.

Sure you can fly-cut the pistons and use modified cylinder heads, but that's never what this cam was designed for. It just happens to work.
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KCB, or should I say, Mr. Crapbox, is making sense here...It's just like having a custom cam ground for the flow numbers/specs of a set of modded heads, only this was made to take full advantange of the factory heads' flow capabilities. For obvious reasons, it still makes great power with modified heads-it's a beafy cam, just not as great as some other grinds as it wasn't directed towards modified heads.
Old 10-03-2004 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 1984camaroz28
im already running a 4400 stall i started on weight reduction. As far as the 382 goes what whould a rotating assembly cost. As far as machine works goes im not fimilar with the LS1 but i assume u need the same things as a normal SBC done. What kinda power whould i need to run a mid to low 10seconds with assuming i have tracting.

with a 4400 stall, good luck getting 500rwhp
Old 10-03-2004 | 08:43 PM
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We made 503/455 with Lou's G5X3 pkg. With a FAST90, Lou's headers, and all the bolt ons.

Now, the big thing is a good set of heads (AS, GTP, AFR225's, etc..), and a cam matched to those heads. I think you can go past 500 with a hyd roller, but you can't just look at more duration as the criteria for design.

I have some ideas in this area for some max effort stuff.
Old 10-03-2004 | 10:18 PM
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Hey J-Rod, could you give us a little insight on what it took to get that much power? Full exhaust? Full Belts? Octane? Timing? Dyno tricks? Stock bottom end?
Old 10-03-2004 | 11:17 PM
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Yes, Please do...That 455rwtq tagged with that much power is very impressive.



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