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Old Dec 13, 2004 | 10:01 AM
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Exclamation 1 More Cam Advance question from me....

If you have advance ground into a cam, will it increase the LSA of the cam?

Example: You have a cam with a 116lsa and you add 2 degrees of advance, will the LSA become a 118lsa cam?

Doesn't adding advance spread the lobes just that many more degrees apart?

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Old Dec 13, 2004 | 10:12 AM
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LSA will stay the same. Advancing or retarding changes the ICL (intake centerline)

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Old Dec 13, 2004 | 10:53 AM
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So the ICL will be higher?
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Old Dec 13, 2004 | 07:54 PM
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So the ICL will be higher?
When you advance, you take away from the ICL. 112 +4 = a 108 ICL. A 112 -4 would be 4 degrees retarded and equal a 116 ICL.
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Old Dec 13, 2004 | 09:18 PM
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the lsa is ground into the cam and cannot be changed. as already stated though you can change the icl.
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Old Dec 13, 2004 | 09:25 PM
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How would you factor a cam with +2 degrees of advance when determining the overlap? Or does it not have any relevance to the formula?
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Old Dec 13, 2004 | 09:30 PM
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How would you factor a cam with +2 degrees of advance when determining the overlap? Or does it not have any relevance to the formula?
the overlap doesnt change.
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Old Dec 13, 2004 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jrp
the overlap doesnt change.
Thanks I have your Cam Guide bookmarked... browsed it a couple days ago but plan on reading up on it whenever I get a chance, hopefully it'll help me to understand all of this haha
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jrp - i do like this part of your cam guide

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1) For example if you installed S2 heads and a tsp231 cam and only put down 390rwhp tuned don’t fret if you started with a base of 290rwhp.
people get so caught up in the numbers that they forget to look at the entire curve. typical can't see the forest for the trees.
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Originally Posted by mrr23
jrp - i do like this part of your cam guide



people get so caught up in the numbers that they forget to look at the entire curve. typical can't see the forest for the trees.
You mean they can't see the forest when they are in front of the tree.
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or let's Bush-a-fi-it. You can't see at ree when.... you..... are.. .. where are we...???In Iraq there aren't many trees...I thinks........??????
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Old Dec 13, 2004 | 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Richiec77
You mean they can't see the forest when they are in front of the tree.
nope. meant it that way. there are other things in a forest than just trees. just like dyno sheets. there are more things to look at other than just the peak numbers.
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Man I love your sig. lol

If you are in front of the tree but can't see the forest it mean you can't think geometrically. You are to focused on a single point (peak #) and can't take in the whole picture. Don't you hate it when you grow up and your Dad is sooo right.

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Originally Posted by mrr23
nope. meant it that way. there are other things in a forest than just trees. just like dyno sheets. there are more things to look at other than just the peak numbers.
same with flow numbers. session 1 is my old head and session 4 is my reworked head. if one were to only look at .600 they'd say the old head was better. but looking at the whole picture on can see the new head kicks the **** out of the old . same bench, same operator, same conditions.



* numbers removed to illustrate a point


and back to our scheduled cam discussion
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Old Dec 13, 2004 | 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Richiec77
Man I love your sig. lol

If you are in front of the tree but can't see the forest it mean you can't think geometrically. You are to focused on a single point (peak #) and can't take in the whole picture. Don't you hate it when you grow up and your Dad is sooo right.
i understood your version as well. dad? what's that? didn't have one. but yes i hate it when the elders are right 20 years later. damn it.
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Thank you!!!
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