Vinci AFR 205 head car test
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You guys kill me. When AFR heads first came out everyone was crying for some stock dyno numbers on a stock car. Well now you have them and your still crying about this and that. We now have stock numbers and now can calulate hp potential from bolt ons etc.
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Originally Posted by gaga
Thank you for the baseline stock testing..... but I am afraid it just doesn't prove/disprove anything.... I mean has anybody every dynoed a stock car w/ just s2 ls6 heads?? It just kinda doesn't make sense.... the 5 mph is really promising, but again there is no real way to compare it to similar heads...
I mean looking at this completely objectively, there are bone stock ls1's dynoing higher then this car!! I know dynoes don't mean anything, but that should tell us alone that something is SERIOUSLY wrong with this test environment... (especially w/the 2.73's which should HELP the numbers!!)...
I mean looking at this completely objectively, there are bone stock ls1's dynoing higher then this car!! I know dynoes don't mean anything, but that should tell us alone that something is SERIOUSLY wrong with this test environment... (especially w/the 2.73's which should HELP the numbers!!)...
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good gains IMO.some people are caught up in peak numbers,i'd bet the low-mid range showed a greater improvement.DYNO NUMBERS AREN'T EVERYTHING.yes,the AFR are expensive and are not for everyone,(i don't have the money for them)but high 12's with the factory cam, exhaust and tuning is pretty good.
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yes,Z06s are around mid-high 12s stock.but they are also a little lighter than a standard vette,and have a little more gear(3.42s or more?).so you have vette with an A4,2.73 gears with the only mod being the AFRs running high 12's.pretty good IMO.
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mrr23, I'll tell you what is irritating is that for the past year or so that Vinci High Performance has been a sponsor on this site you have been a product ***** and it is really disgusting. Vinci makes none of the parts that you and a few others tout. All I hear is Vinci this and Vinci that, They are installers and that's it. You titled this post Vinci AFR heads, did Vinci do any port work,or any other type of work on these heads, I doubt it. You talk about Vinci cams, Vinci accelerated lift rocker arms, Vinci valve spring compression tool, ad nauseum. These are Crane Engineering products, tell it as is. People DO respect honesty, not HYPE.
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I read this whole thread. What is so hard to understand about apples to apples comparison? Sorry, I don’t “get it”. 40 RWHP gain with heads only and nothing there to help them breath is great. Thanks mrr23 for the test, and I do “get it”.
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But that is why I'm sitting here, both scratching my head and laughing at the narrow mindness of some poeple.
The whole point is NOT how much hp the vette made but IS how much difference in hp between UNTUNED stock VS UNTUNED AFR swap >>>>>40 hp.
Now how hard is that to understand?
The whole point is NOT how much hp the vette made but IS how much difference in hp between UNTUNED stock VS UNTUNED AFR swap >>>>>40 hp.
Now how hard is that to understand?
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Originally Posted by bigdsz
No, the point is that the car should have been optimized, tuned if you will, before and after the install. Think about it logically. It's clear that the before performance was subpar.
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Bad tune vs. Bad tune = apples vs. apples
Stock heads vs. AFR heads = 40 hp gain
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Is it a VINCI tool???![Rotflmao](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies2/rotflmao.gif)
WTF does mrr23 advocating a sponsor has to do with this post?
And for your info VINCI and CRANE did R&D for the programmer, Accel Lift Cams and rockers.
Otherwise TR cams are not TR they are Comp Cams. So your arguement is meaningless and inferior.
You are personally attacking mrr23 for posting about an independent 1 for 1 head swap. Why? I don't know, but it is not warranted IMO. So unless you have something smart or perhaps other AFR (or any other heads) comparison to post. Relax, you are making a fool (s) of yourself (s).
That being said mrr23, please let us just ignore these folks and concentrate on these interesting findings. You have nothing to prove to them anyways.
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WTF does mrr23 advocating a sponsor has to do with this post?
And for your info VINCI and CRANE did R&D for the programmer, Accel Lift Cams and rockers.
Otherwise TR cams are not TR they are Comp Cams. So your arguement is meaningless and inferior.
You are personally attacking mrr23 for posting about an independent 1 for 1 head swap. Why? I don't know, but it is not warranted IMO. So unless you have something smart or perhaps other AFR (or any other heads) comparison to post. Relax, you are making a fool (s) of yourself (s).
That being said mrr23, please let us just ignore these folks and concentrate on these interesting findings. You have nothing to prove to them anyways.
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
But that is why I'm sitting here, both scratching my head and laughing at the narrow mindness of some poeple.
The whole point is NOT how much hp the vette made but IS how much difference in hp between UNTUNED stock VS UNTUNED AFR swap >>>>>40 hp.
Now how hard is that to understand?![Bang Head](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_banghead.gif)
The whole point is NOT how much hp the vette made but IS how much difference in hp between UNTUNED stock VS UNTUNED AFR swap >>>>>40 hp.
Now how hard is that to understand?
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There is no problem with anyone promoting a sponsor's product, that's why we are here on this board to learn about what we can do to improve our cars performance. However, when some one repeatedly touts product[s] and it becomes obvious that all they are interested in is promoting one firms products, then someone has to call BS. It surely would be in VHP interests to request this over promotion to cease.
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well it's not their product. it's an independant test of anothers product. besides, what do advertisers pay for on this site? just to have their name on the right side? and no, someone doesn't have to call BS just because someone is promoting their products when they pay to. only you seem to want to call BS for that reason. maybe because you are a fan of norris, a competitor in the same location of vinci. i don't see you calling BS on NLP (mike no jab at you, just a comparison) stuff. like when he promoted the cam and blower he put on larry skippers car. to you it might be an over promotion. it's nothing more than a discussion. if you don't like the so called over promotion, then do what you have the legal right to do. don't click the thread. just like TV. don't like the programming, change the channel. the rest of us will just keep on discussing the matter.
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