Optimal quench?
With .045 gasket, if piston is ____ quench will be _____:
.005-.040
.006-.039
.007-.038
.008-.037
.009-.036
.010-.035
With .040 gasket, if piston is ____ quench will be _____:
.005-.035
.006-.034
.007-.033
.008-.032
.009-.031
.010-.030
Isn't optimal quench .035-.040? In that case, wouldn't I be best served with a .045 gasket in any case listed above? Unless my pistons are out of the hole exactly .005 (which I doubt, most have been described as .007-.010). Realisticaly, would there even be a power difference between a quench height of .035 -vs- .040?
Thanks, Shawn
Also once you have all the measurements, just contact AFR and ask them, they also carry other cometic gaskets with different than standard thicknesses. Ideally .038>.040 is the target to reach.
Also keep i mind that you have to use compressed gasket thickness to calculate quench and not uncompressed.
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Here is some info on bolt stretch from ARP:
"If there is a permanent increase of .001" in length, or if there is deformation, the bolt should be replaced. A sample chart is on the following pages." Recommended bolt stretch is in the way of .0006".
I was not able to find anything about connecting rod stretch, though it appears that aluminum (the most elastic material and much more stretchy than the stock LS1 rods) may stretch up to .01".
So it looks like in a worst case scenario- if you over-stretch a rod bolt, and happen to be using an aluminum connecting rod, you will need a safety margin of .011".
With those numbers in mind, running about .030" quench should not pose any interference problems and you'll see a nice mechanical octane increase as well as a small bump in compression.
Feel free to correct any oversights.
Ben
http://speedomotive.com/Building%20Tips.htm
If you are building an engine with steel rods, tight bearings, tight pistons, modest RPM and automatic transmission, a .035" quench is the minimum practical to run without engine damage. The closer the piston comes to the cylinder head at operating speed, the more turbulence is generated. Turbulence is the main means of reducing detonation. Unfortunately, the operating quench height varies in an engine as RPM and temperature change. If aluminum rods, loose pistons, (they rock and hit the head), and over 6000 RPM operation is anticipated, a static clearance of .055" could be required. A running quench height in excess of .060" will forfeit the benefits of the quench head design and can cause severe detonation. The suggested .035" static quench height is recommended as a good usable dimension for stock rod engines up to 6500 RPM. Above 6500 RPM rod selection becomes important. Since it is the close collision between the piston and the cylinder head that reduces the prospect of detonation, never add a shim or head gasket to lower compression on a quench head engine. If you have 10:1 with a proper quench and then add an extra .040" gasket to give 9.5:1 and .080" quench, you will create more ping at 9.5:1 than you had at 10:1. The suitable way to lower the compression is to use a dish piston. Dish (reverse combustion chamber), pistons are designed for maximum quench, (sometimes called squish), area. Having part of the combustion chamber in the piston improves the shape of the chamber and flame travel. High performance motors will see some detonation, which leads to preignition. Detonation occurs at five to ten degrees after top-dead-center. Preignition occurs before top-dead-center. Detonation damages your engine with impact loads and excessive heat. The excessive heat part of detonation is what causes preignition. Overheated combustion chamber parts start acting as glow plugs. Preignition induces extremely rapid combustion and welding temperatures melt down is only seconds away!
I wouldn't go any shorter with Q/H @ 7500. You really need to know where your limiter will be set...
With .042 gasket, if piston is ____ quench will be _____:
.005-.037
.006-.036
.007-.035
.008-.034
.009-.033
.010-.032
I read of the .042" gasket here https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/257420-vicni-afr-205-head-only-test-take-2-a.html
but who makes it?
EXAMLPE: .002 in the hole with a .040 gasket will give you .042 of Quench.
Yes you will gain power reason is you will you will create cumbustion chamber turbulance wich will increase efficiency. The more you get the air/fuel charge to mix and swirl the more rapid the combustion process will be.
OH yea KING CRAPBOX stop using Judsons lines anyone who has gone to S.A.M knows that jud is the one who always sais **** like that "to make a bad head look good put it in a small motor" Im not even sure if thats right, whats next your a Big Bore short stroke person "JUST GIVE ME RPM "
But sure i woud go with the least amount of quench that i can get away with it will let you run some less timing and get some more power by putting less pressure on the piston when its on the compression stroke.
block grows much more as anyone who has built a solid roller combo knows when they
watch valve lash change when the motor warms up . I think we need to rethink the clearance for this combination.No I am not a SAM student,a Smokey one.
Also, as the engine is used, carbon builds up on both the piston tops, and chambers (quench areas as well). That can reduce your Q/H a good bit. That's probably the reason GM doesn't opt for the more effecient, tighter quench approach from the factory. With a .052 thick gasket and say .007 above deck (average), that's a .045" Q/H which leaves some room for carbon build-up (cheap gas, rich tune, ect.). Just an assumtion though...






