Generation III Internal Engine 1997-2006 LS1 | LS6
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Are heads worht it??

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-08-2005 | 09:41 PM
  #1  
Nittany_marine's Avatar
Thread Starter
11 Second Club
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 637
Likes: 1
From: Charleston, SC
Default Are heads worth it??

I have a tr224/224 112 cam, and LT headers on the car as far as engine mods go. I was thinking of possibly doing heads next. What kind of power gains can I see? Do the cost of the heads justify the power gains? Its my daily driver. Any opinions would be great. Thanks!

Last edited by Nittany_marine; 01-08-2005 at 10:26 PM. Reason: spelling
Old 01-08-2005 | 10:18 PM
  #2  
black_knight's Avatar
12 Second Club
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,377
Likes: 2
Default

What do you ultimately plan to do with the car? If you're going for bigger cubes or forced induction, then it wouldn't be a good idea to get heads just yet. Figure out where you're going with the car.
Old 01-08-2005 | 10:28 PM
  #3  
Nittany_marine's Avatar
Thread Starter
11 Second Club
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 637
Likes: 1
From: Charleston, SC
Default

Originally Posted by black_knight
What do you ultimately plan to do with the car? If you're going for bigger cubes or forced induction, then it wouldn't be a good idea to get heads just yet. Figure out where you're going with the car.

I just want it to be a nice, fast, street machine. It sees a track twice a year, maybe. I was just curious as to what mod I should do next.
Old 01-08-2005 | 10:33 PM
  #4  
black_knight's Avatar
12 Second Club
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,377
Likes: 2
Default

Well, how fast of a street machine? Do you plan on going for a stroker kit or a blower in the future? If not, then go for it. If so, then don't go for it unless you like paying for heads twice...
Old 01-08-2005 | 10:34 PM
  #5  
black_knight's Avatar
12 Second Club
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,377
Likes: 2
Default

Oh, and to answer your question: yes, heads are worth it. At least, the good ones are.
Old 01-09-2005 | 01:17 AM
  #6  
5POINT7's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,938
Likes: 0
Default

Man, I'd hold out on heads for right now. Just take a peek at a few threads on this very same page right now on heads. There is too much controversy and deceit going on from several shops.
Old 01-09-2005 | 01:17 AM
  #7  
technical's Avatar
TECH Addict

 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 2,336
Likes: 0
From: Fat Chance Hotel
Default

Get some other bolt-ons first...pulley, ported TB, et al.

Trending Topics

Old 01-09-2005 | 06:41 AM
  #8  
PREDATOR-Z's Avatar
TECH Senior Member

 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 14,620
Likes: 16
From: BFE
Default

Question is do you want to stay with your cam?
2nd question is: Will a set of heads fitting the 224 parameters improve your performance? HELL yes.
How much could you see in power gains?
up to ~40>50 rwhp with properly designed porting/tuning. (I'm being conservative).

In general a H/C combo should yield 80->100 rwhp or it is not properly matched IMO.(W/bolt ons)
Old 01-09-2005 | 08:37 AM
  #9  
Ryan02SS's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,795
Likes: 0
From: Lake Anna, VA/ Fairmont, WV
Default

I went from 390rwhp to 416rwhp with the addition of my Patriot 5.3L Stage 2 heads thru cats and gained some torque also. With your description of what you want to do with the car the heads will really make a difference in SOTP power.
Old 01-09-2005 | 01:14 PM
  #10  
Nittany_marine's Avatar
Thread Starter
11 Second Club
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 637
Likes: 1
From: Charleston, SC
Default

Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
In general a H/C combo should yield 80->100 rwhp or it is not properly matched IMO.(W/bolt ons)
I like the sound of that.....lol
Old 01-09-2005 | 01:24 PM
  #11  
SouthFL.02.SS's Avatar
!LS1 11 Second Club
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 7,133
Likes: 2
From: Miami
Default

On my setup:

Cam Only:_______________ 390 rwhp @ 6250 / 360 tq @ 5000
Cam + Heads:____________ 425 rwhp @ 6400 / 387 tq @ 5000

Gains:___________________35 rwhp / 27 tq
Old 01-09-2005 | 01:50 PM
  #12  
Nittany_marine's Avatar
Thread Starter
11 Second Club
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 637
Likes: 1
From: Charleston, SC
Default

Thanks for the relpies. Now, does anyone have any opinions on which heads to go with? Patriot? Or maybe a set from Combination motorsports? Any opinions guys?
Old 01-09-2005 | 02:16 PM
  #13  
apexman's Avatar
Launching!
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 240
Likes: 0
From: McKinney
Default

I like the MTI stage 2e heads as well as the TEA heads for the money.
Old 01-09-2005 | 03:11 PM
  #14  
black_knight's Avatar
12 Second Club
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,377
Likes: 2
Default

Originally Posted by Nittany_marine
Thanks for the relpies. Now, does anyone have any opinions on which heads to go with? Patriot? Or maybe a set from Combination motorsports? Any opinions guys?
That all depends on how much you want to spend and how fast you want to go. If you want to go REAL fast and you can spend, then go with AFR 205's: they are showing crazy gains for a LOT of people.
Old 01-09-2005 | 09:02 PM
  #15  
Bearcat Steve's Avatar
On The Tree
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 175
Likes: 0
From: Cincinnati, OH
Default

Assuming the $$$ are not in short supply, AFR 205's would work well. the TR224 cam is not optimal for the 205's, but should work well enough depending on one's desires and goals.
Old 01-09-2005 | 09:51 PM
  #16  
ls1fbod's Avatar
12 Second Club
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 341
Likes: 0
From: Temecula,CA
Default

Heck Yes....Napolean is awsome
Old 01-10-2005 | 01:01 AM
  #17  
Nittany_marine's Avatar
Thread Starter
11 Second Club
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 637
Likes: 1
From: Charleston, SC
Default

Originally Posted by ls1fbod
Heck Yes....Napolean is awsome
Huh? Maybe Im not following
Old 01-10-2005 | 05:51 AM
  #18  
CarsRFun's Avatar
12 Second Club
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 216
Likes: 0
Default

since you already have a cam I would think the heads will be worth it.
just my .02
Old 01-10-2005 | 10:00 AM
  #19  
ss2668's Avatar
On The Tree
iTrader: (21)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 128
Likes: 0
From: VA
Default

Ive got the same cam as you do, and i have the TEA stg 1.5 5.3 heads. I just dynoed 398rwhp and 389 rwtq on the stock tune.
Old 01-10-2005 | 05:16 PM
  #20  
technical's Avatar
TECH Addict

 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 2,336
Likes: 0
From: Fat Chance Hotel
Default

For comparison...I have the same cam in my '02 with headers and Patriot 5.7 stage IIs and dynoed 395rwhp. I don't have the bolt-ons though. It made 393 untuned.

dyno chart



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:51 PM.