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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 01:22 PM
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347 aluminum block w/ 600rwhp vs 360 iron block w/600rwhp, both heads/cam spray cars ... everything else being equal as far as tranny, rear-end, tires, suspension except weight where the 360 will weigh 65-110lbs more in the front dependin on who you ask. which motor will win?
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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 01:30 PM
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If everything is equal the lighter car will win.
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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 01:34 PM
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If everything is equal the lighter car will win.
agreed, the extra 13 cube arent enough to overcome the weight difference. again asumming all is equal.
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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 01:34 PM
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btw, the reason for this question is that i hear that 500rwhp 408 will blow away a 500rwhp 347 but i was wonderin if the displacement difference isn't as much will it still be the same result?
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agreed, the extra 13 cube arent enough to overcome the weight difference. again asumming all is equal.
exactly what i was lookin for ... thanks
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btw, the reason for this question is that i hear that 500rwhp 408 will blow away a 500rwhp 347 but i was wonderin if the displacement difference isn't as much will it still be the same result?
That's not always true, its average power to weight ratio throughout your powerband. Not to mention traction, and the other things of course.

The 408 would be more streetable and make more power under the curve, but it doesn't mean its going to go faster than the 346 that's just IMHO. However it should make more average power throughout the 2500-7500 area.
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That's not always true, its average power to weight ratio throughout your powerband. Not to mention traction, and the other things of course.

The 408 would be more streetable and make more power under the curve, but it doesn't mean its going to go faster than the 346 that's just IMHO. However it should make more average power throughout the 2500-7500 area.
well if everything is equal (see above) besides the wieght of the blocks and the 408 is makin more average power ... then the 408 will win ... but that wasn't the question, i already knew it would but again i just wanted to see if the displacement wasn't as big of a difference would the 360's "more average power" outwiegh the extra weight.
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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 01:56 PM
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Thats the real question... Is there enough "power under the curve" on the 360 to make up for the weight difference. Even if they peak at the same horsepower at the same rpm, the bigger cubes should be making more power than the 347 everywhere before peak. Now if we follow the 100 Lbs = 10 HP rule of thumb, I would think that if the 360 is making 10 - 15 more HP everywhere before peak, the weight disadvantage should be nullified. In any case, i think its a driver's race. I know Id have my hands full piloting a 600 HP spray car.
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Thats the real question... Is there enough "power under the curve" on the 360 to make up for the weight difference. Even if they peak at the same horsepower at the same rpm, the bigger cubes should be making more power than the 347 everywhere before peak. Now if we follow the 100 Lbs = 10 HP rule of thumb
now the 100lbs is on the front of the car, you think you can follow that same rule of thumb as if the wieght was distributed throughout the car? and yes that is the real question ... let's add drivers are equal too so that doesn't come up again either

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now the 100lbs is on the front of the car, you think you can follow that same rule of thumb as if the wieght was distributed throughout the car? and yes that is the real question ... let's add drivers are equal too so that doesn't come up again either
I always thought that weight off the front of the car only helps when traction is an issue. eliminating weight from the front is useful because the front lifts and plants more weight on the rear wheels. If traction is not an issue, as from a roll, i dont think it matters. I could be dead wrong though.
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I always thought that weight off the front of the car only helps when traction is an issue. eliminating weight from the front is useful because the front lifts and plants more weight on the rear wheels. If traction is not an issue, as from a roll, i dont think it matters. I could be dead wrong though.
yes, but i think you're readin it wrong ... you're sayin the 360 would only need 10hp more throughout the range to make up for the weight, i'm sayin don't you think it'd need more than that since all the extra weight is on the front of the car.

and anyone know or can make a good guess based on previous experience how much more "under the curve" power the 360 will make over the 347?
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Apparently all the extra weight is in my big thick head... I dont understand what you mean. If all things are equal, meaning equal traction, where the weight exists should not make a difference. I think. Maybe. Possibly.
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lol ... i think you're right ... so if you were a bettin man, which setup would you bet on winnin?
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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 02:58 PM
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lol ... i think you're right ... so if you were a bettin man, which setup would you bet on winnin?
Easy. The guy with the mullet. Its all he's got going for him, so he'll probably run real hard.
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