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Old 03-02-2005, 11:14 PM
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Question Recommend me a cam please

The car is a daily driver. I NEED torque in low rpm's.
I DO NOT wanna deal with valvespring changes ever again.I'll get a new tune from RWTD so one problem is solved.
I know I'm looking for someting with low lift.
This is left inside the engine when the previous owner pulled the cam out and put the stock one back:

Crane Dual Rev Springs
Thunder Racing Chromoly Pushrods
Titaium Retainers
Titanium Stems
Titanium Seats

I've been researching for weeks now, I could not come up anything better then GM Hotcam, and the ASA 226/236 0.525"/0.525" 110 LSA
mainly becouse of how easy they are on the valvetrain. (I don't mind the choppy idle either )
Car needs to pass smog test too (only ODBII if I'm right.)

I did look at TR224 .563/.563 112 (before JRP reminds me) but I doubt it is easy on the valvespring. (maybe 20000 miles...)
And one more thing, what should I change what can I reuse---> ( Crane Dual Rev Springs, Thunder Racing Chromoly Pushrods, Titaium Retainers, Titanium Stems ,Titanium Seats )

I would appreciate any help, suggestions.

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TR224 or something like it. I think Comp cams makes one and maybe the Futral F11 (I'd have to go check the specs)

If it's a daily driver then 218-224 duration and a 114 LSA should be street friendly.
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Since you stated you don't want to change springs again.......just get the Hotcam. Sounds good and makes pretty decent power.
Old 03-02-2005, 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by luv2spd
Since you stated you don't want to change springs again.......just get the Hotcam. Sounds good and makes pretty decent power.
Yeah it might be the ONE. Just too many haters...old cam old technology etc. (just like a pushrod engine but it gets the job done )
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Originally Posted by TOMMY BOY74
Yeah it might be the ONE. Just too many haters...old cam old technology etc. (just like a pushrod engine but it gets the job done )
Why not get a cam that makes more power while idling and driving better.
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i say go with the asa cam... never gotta change springs on that
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just make sure you don't get power hungry again....and decide that 3 hours to change valvesprings every 20-30k miles isn't so bad afterall. otherwise, asa or hotcam sounds good for your purposes. i agree with Blake tho, why not get a cam that will drive/idle better and make more power? to each their own i suppose. go with GM's proven aftermarket, and install some LS6 springs and such. never have to worry again.
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Comp cams 216/220 .525 .532 114LSA strong and no spring problems, 7.4tr push rods?
Look at thunder racings site and read about this cam.
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Originally Posted by DJ_951
Comp cams 216/220 .525 .532 114LSA strong and no spring problems, 7.4tr push rods?
Look at thunder racings site and read about this cam.
I was just going to suggest that one,

Also VINCI 047 cam, and there are smaller on 112 lsa for a little chopchop.
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My vote goes to the GMPP ASA cam.

You can also go with an MTI T1 cam (old grind) and some Comp 918's and forget about a spring swap for quite some time.
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If you are only spinning to 6400-6500RPM, a lighter valvetrain wont make you any more power. If its primarily a street car, why go the expense when you won't realise the gains? Putting 918s on a street cam with titanium everything will just negate any negligible gains you may otherwise have realised as increased spring pressure impacts more heavily on the valvetrain than pushrods or retainers ever will.

If you were to change the rockers, I would go for the new crane accelerated lift rockers. Keep the stock pushrods, retainers and go for dual springs that return about 100-110ft-lbs at the seat and 300-330ft-lbs under compression. Thats all you *need*.

As for cam, I would recommend getting a small-mid range custom spec. through someone like Ed Curtis. A custom specified 216 cam can make as much power as an off-shelf 224. One size doesn't necessarily fit all.
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Originally Posted by MNR-0
Putting 918s on a street cam with titanium everything will just negate any negligible gains you may otherwise have realised as increased spring pressure impacts more heavily on the valvetrain than pushrods or retainers ever will.
Hmmmm????
Are you saying that a lighter valvetrain with 918's will take away power??
Maybe I don't habla Aussie but, am I missunderstanding you?
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Check out the VHP-047 cam with .531/.531 LSA 112. It should be easy on the valvetrain but you should upgrade to 918's as a minnimum, and ofcourse 921, Patriot & VHP spring would be better but not necessary.
If you want a bit more check out the VHP 062 cam- 210/218 .551/.551 LSA 112. Very nice, torque from 1.5K and power up to 6.5K for me... This cam peaks for me at 6.2K.
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Crane - 208/216 .500/.500 114 LSA

can use stock springs, pushrods, etc ... won't even need a tune

just take out old cam and put this one in, can't get any easier than that
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So basically I can choose between ASA and the Hotcam if I don't wanna change valve springs again. Hmmm I think the ASA just a little too brutish at idleing.
I don't mind the STEALTH cam idea at all but again, higher lift= regular valve spring changes.

Some of you mentioned the Comp cams 216/220 .525 .532 114LSA so how much more improvement would be this over the stock cam: stock 01-02
duration@.050 196.37 intake 208.72 exhaust
lift .464 intake .479 exhaust
LSA 115.92
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I would say the Comp Cam is stronger than the ASA or hot cam. Did you look on Thunder Racings site? =======> There a good sponsor with a dyno of that cam. You could try a search.

To answer your question, around 30hp through the whole rpm band. With the cheapest set of heads you can find, should see 400rwhp. This cam should be drivable with out a tune but would like one.

What is the strongest cam that can use springs for 100K????

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With the TR224 cam and those springs they would never need replacement.Also the TR224 will give more power than the hotcam.The ASA Cam is kind off crappy for daily driving.
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What springs with a TR224 would not need replacing? 100K not need replacing or just next spring?
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I have been running the TR 220 / 220 .563 .563 @ 112+4 in my A4 for quite awhile now. Also have the 918's.

It's great for what it is. Great mid/upper power. You might check it out.

I will be going bigger once i get home along with some AFR's ofcourse.

Good luck.



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