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Old 04-29-2005 | 02:56 AM
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When I saw how much slack was in the stock chain I said there is no way in the world I would put it back on. Double roller chain for me, I feel much safer.
Old 04-29-2005 | 03:58 AM
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Double chain is overkill unless you want to degree your cam and need an adjustable.

Even Lingenfelter puts stock chains on their boosted setups.
The LS2 is way beefier.

See for yourself:



Bottom one is LS2 top old LS1

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Old 04-29-2005 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by OnE sIcK Z
Im In The The Middle Of A Cam Swap Or I Mean I'm Half Done. I Put In My New Cam. And I Was Like , "i Wonder If I Can Just Put The Chain On The Cam Gear, Slip It On And Put It On The Cam With The Mark I Made On It Earlyier?" So I Tried It And Succeded. I Have A New Chain And Ported Ls6 Oil Pump. But Im Having Second Thoughts On Weather To Put It On Or Not. The Mark Is Lined Up Exactly Where I Had It Before. Has Anyone Done This Before?
Yes, many have done this before.

Off topic here, but why do you capitalize every single first letter of a word?? That makes it hard to read.
Old 04-29-2005 | 07:43 AM
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OK guys so say i decide to do a ls2 timing chain. is there a way that i can pull the oil pump off and not have to remove the pick-up tube and be able to slip on the new timing chain?i dont know was just a guess never done a swap. I have decided to leave on my stock pump. I mean it only has 22k.
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Old 04-29-2005 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigrob339
OK guys so say i decide to do a ls2 timing chain. is there a way that i can pull the oil pump off and not have to remove the pick-up tube and be able to slip on the new timing chain?i dont know was just a guess never done a swap. I have decided to leave on my stock pump. I mean it only has 22k.
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You're gonna have to remove the pickup tube because it holds the pump pretty solid to the block and is blocked from being moved/bent by the oil pan. Sorry man, there's no way around that one.
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
Unless you have less than 50K miles on the motor or you have a 1997>2000, chain should be changed, especially now that the LS2 chain is so cheap and standard replacement on LSx motors.

As for the pump 01>02's don't have to (as from mid 00, all LSx motors have a stock LS6 pump)
97>mid 00 better change pump as those were the problematic (sticky) pumps (but a ported pump is not necessary, a LS6 OEM replacement pump is enough)
Well since it need to be removed to get the new chain on, is it possible if you can tell me if i have the newer style of ls6 pump on my car from factory?is there a cut off date on the manufacturing?by the vin #? how can i tell?
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part # on all "LS6" replacement LSx pumps is # 12563964
Old 04-29-2005 | 03:34 PM
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The stock timing chain on my 01 ss was pretty slack when i went to change out my cam. I went and got a replacement from an auto parts store and it was more loose then the original. I ended up putting the new gears on and used my stock chain. Its not a necessary thing to change but if your going too, deffinetly use the LS2 chain or a double roller, DO NOT buy an aftermarket stock one.
Old 04-29-2005 | 06:18 PM
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ive got a 10K mile 2004 6.0 and the chain looked like it was about to hope off. tho the motor is spotless and there is no sign of broken parts.
im in the middle of a cam swap right now.
Old 04-29-2005 | 06:38 PM
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I have a NHRA Edition 2000 Formula. It was produced 5/00. It has 241 head castings. Does it also have the LS6 style oil pump? I will be doing a cam swap late summer or early winter. Just curious if the heads upgrade was combined with the oil pump upgrade. Thanks for any info.

I had a 2000 Trans Am produced in 8/99. It was not as strong with the same mods. Would the upgrades that may or may not have been installed for a late year '00 be a factor.
Old 05-04-2005 | 07:32 PM
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FWIW I just did my cam, 02 WS6. Has 31k miles on it. I bought a new LS2 chain and sprockets for same reason - since I'm in there ... But when I inspected my old chain it was like new! No slack, sprocket teeth perfect. So I left it on and I'll just keep the new set for another time.
Old 05-04-2005 | 08:38 PM
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i have a '01, stock chain, stock pump, lots of rpm, stiff springs, big cam, lots of passes, no problems.
Old 05-05-2005 | 04:08 AM
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FYI, the part# stamped on the LS6 oil pump I just bought fron SDPC is 12556436.
2004 stamped on it also.
Old 05-05-2005 | 10:28 AM
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When i saw the slack on my stock chain, i wasted no time dropping the oil pan and pulling the oil pump. The LS2 chain (pt#12586482 from SDPC $28.25 ) is worth the peace of mind for me. You can see in the pic the difference. It was just personal preference for me.
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Has it ever been proven that said "slack" on a LSx new (older model) chain wasn't designed for a "certain purpose"??

Personally, I'm suspicious about tight chains (double rollers) and cam bearing life.
Old 05-05-2005 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
Has it ever been proven that said "slack" on a LSx new (older model) chain wasn't designed for a "certain purpose"??

Personally, I'm suspicious about tight chains (double rollers) and cam bearing life.


Not that I now much, but that seems logical......hmmm
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Originally Posted by blkZ28spt


Not that I now much, but that seems logical......hmmm
ill have to agree. im no engineer, but it makes sense.
my 10K mile motor had a lot of slop in the factory chain. my double roller is nice and tight. flexible, but not sloppy like the stock chain.
if i could figure out this clearance problem with my tranny, id have her running and out driving, not posting on the internet.
Old 05-05-2005 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SMOKIN01TA
i have a '01, stock chain, stock pump, lots of rpm, stiff springs, big cam, lots of passes, no problems.
Pretty strong proof right there
Old 05-05-2005 | 08:23 PM
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seems logical to me, but for those who used the ls2 was there much slack in that chain when you put it on or was it tight?
thx rob
Old 05-06-2005 | 02:25 AM
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This is actually a pretty informative thread. I'm working up towards my cam swap sometime this summer and was wondering about the pump and chain. I fully intend on replacing the pump and chain just because I'll have the motor torn down that far. Why not do it if it's right there in front of you? Is the pump tube really that big of a pain? That's a question and not being sarcastic. From what I've read the bolt is a pain to get to but is that it? Is that one bolt keeping people from replacing parts while the engine is apart?



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