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Originally Posted by SMOKIN01TA
i told yall he couldnt leave that thing alone for more than a few months, thats just jason for you ![Grin](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_grin.gif)
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Originally Posted by SilverSurfer
I'm really impressed with this cam, but I do have some questions.
You say the cam is indistinguishable from stock. I had a TR 224 in my car before and I know they use pretty aggresive profiles. When you pop open the hood and listen to the motor does it sound stock or like a sewing machine? I like the power gains but I don't want any valvetrain noise from a stealth cam. LS6 cam is indistinguishable.
What are Jason's bolt-ons/mods? 329 rwhp from a 2000 LS1 is pretty high.
Thanks
You say the cam is indistinguishable from stock. I had a TR 224 in my car before and I know they use pretty aggresive profiles. When you pop open the hood and listen to the motor does it sound stock or like a sewing machine? I like the power gains but I don't want any valvetrain noise from a stealth cam. LS6 cam is indistinguishable.
What are Jason's bolt-ons/mods? 329 rwhp from a 2000 LS1 is pretty high.
Thanks
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
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Your lifter preload is too low. Margins are .030>.060 with stock and Comp 850-16
The closest you are to .060 the less noise.
This is quote from one of my previous posts
The closest you are to .060 the less noise.
This is quote from one of my previous posts
Every aftermarket has their own little tricks, for non adjustables (stock or not) it is straight forward. Tighten bolt gently untill you cannot twist the p-rod by hand (no need for it to be forceful). Once you reach that stage it is 22ftlbs with an accurate trq wrench.
Personaly I like to bring both valves at same height "compression height" (not necessary, but that is me)
After that you need to check preload on lifter just to make sure you have the correct p-rod length.
Preload measurement:
I normaly prime the motor at this time with coil pacs and pump still disengaged and fuel line disconected (use container for any remneants in fuel line), butwith covers on (not to make a mess).
Once I have done 2>3 cranks with a few full revolutions and i see oil pressure for a few seconds, then I remove covers:
Hand rotate the engine in its normal direction of rotation until both valves are closed. You are on the compression cycle for that cylinder. (At this position the valve springs are at their least amount of tension making the job a little easier to do.)
Wait a few minutes, allowing the lifters to bleed down. Now, lay a rigid straight edge across the cylinder head, supporting it on the surface of the head where the valve cover gasket would go. Using a metal scribe and the straightedge, carefully scribe a line on both pushrods. Now slowly remove the torque from all valve train bolts, removing any pressure from the pushrods. Wait a few minutes for the pushrod seat in the hydraulic lifter to move back to the neutral position. Carefully scribe a new line on both pushrods.
Measure the distance between the two scribe marks, it represents the amount of lifter preload. If the lines are .030” to .060” apart you have proper lifter preload. If the lines are the same or less than .020” apart you have no or insufficient preload.
Hope this makes sense.
Personaly I like to bring both valves at same height "compression height" (not necessary, but that is me)
After that you need to check preload on lifter just to make sure you have the correct p-rod length.
Preload measurement:
I normaly prime the motor at this time with coil pacs and pump still disengaged and fuel line disconected (use container for any remneants in fuel line), butwith covers on (not to make a mess).
Once I have done 2>3 cranks with a few full revolutions and i see oil pressure for a few seconds, then I remove covers:
Hand rotate the engine in its normal direction of rotation until both valves are closed. You are on the compression cycle for that cylinder. (At this position the valve springs are at their least amount of tension making the job a little easier to do.)
Wait a few minutes, allowing the lifters to bleed down. Now, lay a rigid straight edge across the cylinder head, supporting it on the surface of the head where the valve cover gasket would go. Using a metal scribe and the straightedge, carefully scribe a line on both pushrods. Now slowly remove the torque from all valve train bolts, removing any pressure from the pushrods. Wait a few minutes for the pushrod seat in the hydraulic lifter to move back to the neutral position. Carefully scribe a new line on both pushrods.
Measure the distance between the two scribe marks, it represents the amount of lifter preload. If the lines are .030” to .060” apart you have proper lifter preload. If the lines are the same or less than .020” apart you have no or insufficient preload.
Hope this makes sense.
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Originally Posted by CHRISPY
Very nice!!! Any valvespring longevity concerns with that super fast intake lobe? Would yearly spring changes be required in your opinion?
How much power would be lost with say an XE lobe on the intake?
How much power would be lost with say an XE lobe on the intake?
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Originally Posted by SilverSurfer
I'm really impressed with this cam, but I do have some questions.
You say the cam is indistinguishable from stock. I had a TR 224 in my car before and I know they use pretty aggresive profiles. When you pop open the hood and listen to the motor does it sound stock or like a sewing machine? I like the power gains but I don't want any valvetrain noise from a stealth cam. LS6 cam is indistinguishable.
What are Jason's bolt-ons/mods? 329 rwhp from a 2000 LS1 is pretty high.
Thanks
You say the cam is indistinguishable from stock. I had a TR 224 in my car before and I know they use pretty aggresive profiles. When you pop open the hood and listen to the motor does it sound stock or like a sewing machine? I like the power gains but I don't want any valvetrain noise from a stealth cam. LS6 cam is indistinguishable.
What are Jason's bolt-ons/mods? 329 rwhp from a 2000 LS1 is pretty high.
Thanks
the comp is more aggresive that the tr
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boy thats a lot of work to check lifter preload. what i did this time and in the past was basically set the rockers to 22 ft/lbs regardless of the position of lifters on the cam. i've never had problems this way in the past and being that its a c5, i have no way to turn the motor over by hand up front.
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I am definately interested in this cam. It looks to be very promising for one
who doesn't want the lope. I'm anxiously awaiting results with lt's.
Would this be a good cam for a procharged setup or should I just stick to the
tried and true gt2-3? I don't mind changing valve springs when needed, thats
not an issue.
who doesn't want the lope. I'm anxiously awaiting results with lt's.
Would this be a good cam for a procharged setup or should I just stick to the
tried and true gt2-3? I don't mind changing valve springs when needed, thats
not an issue.
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Originally Posted by 4mula
i wouldnt call the tr224 aggresive.
the comp is more aggresive that the tr
the comp is more aggresive that the tr
BS, the XE-R has a ramp rate of 49, the TR224 has one of 27 i think, cant recall exactly but its was definitly under 30
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49 is the rate variance between .050 and .006 lifts of XE-R.
The TR are something like 50 or 51.
XE being 53
If anyone has .006 lifts for a TR cam we would know for sure.
This has been hashed a long time ago.
TR has a proprietary lobe and was put on market before XE-R.
The TR are something like 50 or 51.
XE being 53
If anyone has .006 lifts for a TR cam we would know for sure.
This has been hashed a long time ago.
TR has a proprietary lobe and was put on market before XE-R.
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FWIW, I just installed a CheaTR for a customer this morning, and it is not so much like stock you wouldnt know. It is a nice sound, and felt strong on the road, without tuning. Will be interesting to see how it does on Nitrous.
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Originally Posted by CAT3
FWIW, I just installed a CheaTR for a customer this morning, and it is not so much like stock you wouldnt know. It is a nice sound, and felt strong on the road, without tuning. Will be interesting to see how it does on Nitrous.
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FYI, the CheaTR have a nice lope to it
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I didnt notice any valvetrain noise other then stock sounds, unlike mine however which I swear is a garage of 90 y/o seamstresses under the hood. When BlueSS and I finished and started the car, it did have an ever so slight, beautiful lope, noticeable probably because all the hype of "sounds just like stock" *raising the bullshit flag*.