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Originally Posted by adamp
I guess I should go ahead and post my goals too. I'm wanting to be able to beat a Z06 from a dig and from a roll. stock Z06. see if that helps any on my cam selections?
As a refrence, I had stock heads and gears, M6 and a 224/224 cam. I could only hang even with an unskilled Z06 driver. I was making 375 rwhp and am a little heavier. So I guess in a very generic answer, shoot for a cam that makes more power than mine did.
If a stock Z06 weighs 3012 lbs and makes around 360 rwhp, a 3400 lb. F-Body would need to make about 405 rwhp or better to beat it. That going to be very difficult for an A4 without heads/cam and some excellent bolt-ons.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
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Concluding from what you have said, it sounds like you would want the converter and not the cam. You would get more torque on take offs and do better burnouts which would feel like more power just for the needs you have stated. You will not gain anything with just a cam, that is really a package deal. You are not going to get more air/fuel into you engine with just a cam without doing the heads/intake/exhausts. You have to open it all up to gain here. Ofcourse a converter is choosen to match the cam you have, so being stock you won't need much. An even greater improvement would be to swap the rearend gear at the same time, both of these would be immediate satisfaction with no other support neccessary, atleast until you get that itch again!!!!
Originally Posted by Patrick G
The biggest killer of 4L60Es is not the power, but the rpm. Anything over 6000rpm will dramatically shorten tranny life...that's a fact. That said, a good converter with at least 3500 stall that keeps your power above 4500 (in shift extension) is a wise choice. This will keep you from having to rev it to 6500+ every time. Selecting a cam that make peak power closer to 6000 is a smart move for long trans life and best power in an A4.
Good points, but you overlooked that the real BIGGEST killer of any autotrans is HEAT. He must throw on a good-sized trans cooler if he's going to get a loose converter. Otherwise I agree with your advice.
I've had 2 built 4L60E's in my '94 Z28. One was a PMAC (Mike Kurtz) and it lasted several years. I currently have one built by a local racer who really knows his ****. It's held up now for 2 years of bracket racing in the 12.4 to 11.90 ET range (weather dependent).
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I've got the money to do both a cam install and a converter install, I just need to match the two, I dont want to change the gears in my car becuase I love to do freeway runs. and 400rwhp in a cam/bolt-on car would be nice.
Originally Posted by adamp
I've got the money to do both a cam install and a converter install, I just need to match the two, I dont want to change the gears in my car becuase I love to do freeway runs. and 400rwhp in a cam/bolt-on car would be nice.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
I hope I don't come across as negative, but you either need to add ported heads or run a HUGE cam to make over 400 rwhp (cam-only) with an A4. Even locked up, 400 is hard to exceed without good head flow.
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
I hope I don't come across as negative, but you either need to add ported heads or run a HUGE cam to make over 400 rwhp (cam-only) with an A4. Even locked up, 400 is hard to exceed without good head flow.
I have a 237/242 .603/.609 113, 4000 stall converter and "only" made 385 rwhp, converter unlocked. 400 rwhp is a good goal for a cam only six speed, but 375+ is plenty for a stalled auto.
As for the stock C5 Z06....they have run high 11's bone stock with a badass driver and weather. You will need all the bolt-ons with a good converter and cam plus drag radials or better to do that. (at least the average person/car will) It could be done stock cam, but it's more difficult that way.Just look at where I am.
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I have a 3600 stall converter, PP Stage 2 heads with a 224/224 560/560 112 LSA cam and it works greate for a dailey driver. How ever, my tranny did start having problems about 6 months later. But if you put sticky tires on your car and drive it hard at the strip, that is what you should expect. If you are not going to drive it hard then why do the cam?
I am only at 400 HP with heads and cam. My guess is with the cam you are thinking about, installed and tuned by somebody good you should see 375 to 380 hp.
Good Luck,
Al
I am only at 400 HP with heads and cam. My guess is with the cam you are thinking about, installed and tuned by somebody good you should see 375 to 380 hp.
Good Luck,
Al
Get a converter first. And its torque that kills trannies.
I shot a 150 for two years on my stocker. Then I got greedy and starting spraying though the shifts. Killed it in weeks.
My TR 224 was fine with the tranny and Vig 2800. Can't wait to get my Vig 3200 in.
I shot a 150 for two years on my stocker. Then I got greedy and starting spraying though the shifts. Killed it in weeks.
My TR 224 was fine with the tranny and Vig 2800. Can't wait to get my Vig 3200 in.
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My 346 made 453 rwhp thru an A4, with 205s and F13 and 11.4:1 c/r.
Originally Posted by Patrick G
I hope I don't come across as negative, but you either need to add ported heads or run a HUGE cam to make over 400 rwhp (cam-only) with an A4. Even locked up, 400 is hard to exceed without good head flow.
Originally Posted by bickelfirebird
My 346 made 453 rwhp thru an A4, with 205s and F13 and 11.4:1 c/r.
Originally Posted by Mike2kZ
Anyone?
My TCI 3800 with a 2.7 str drives great on the street, the high str makes it tight so it doesn't feel slushy at all. With a lid/maf, converter and nittos i went 12.4. The shift extension is 5,000 rpm. I'm very happy with it.
To make a 4L60E live invest in a tranny cooler 24-28000 gvw
change the fluid often-this is key
put a shift kit in-drastically improves shifts
As with anything mechanical if you abuse the hell out of it , its gonna break eventually but if you take care of your **** and respect your car it can last a long time.
To make a 4L60E live invest in a tranny cooler 24-28000 gvw
change the fluid often-this is key
put a shift kit in-drastically improves shifts
As with anything mechanical if you abuse the hell out of it , its gonna break eventually but if you take care of your **** and respect your car it can last a long time.
yeah def. get a stall converter first. if i were u i would go no lower than a 3200 stall. my SY3500 really woke my car up 
and btw what cam u guys recommend for my car sig below? daily driver here too!
and btw what cam u guys recommend for my car sig below? daily driver here too!
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Originally Posted by jlashley2001ss
yeah def. get a stall converter first. if i were u i would go no lower than a 3200 stall. my SY3500 really woke my car up
and btw what cam u guys recommend for my car sig below? daily driver here too!
and btw what cam u guys recommend for my car sig below? daily driver here too!
Anything from a 224 to the low 230's for a blanket, non appication specific guideline.