LS6 Cam questions
Originally Posted by Z28SSMAN
I guess I'd better take my Z06 cam out then.....
http://home.comcast.net/~grussel396/Camaro_0001.wmv
http://home.comcast.net/~grussel396/Camaro_0001.wmv
I got a new best with my LS6 cam at almost 5400 ft DA the other night.. for those curious thats about a 11.6x @ 117+ at sea level.. on DR's
My car runs on avg. 7 tenths quicker and 3 mph better with the cam and gear change (3.73 to 4.10) than last year in the summer.
The LS6 cam is well worth the money IF you get one cheap, and install it yourself.
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Originally Posted by Z28SSMAN
I guess I'd better take my Z06 cam out then.....
http://home.comcast.net/~grussel396/Camaro_0001.wmv
http://home.comcast.net/~grussel396/Camaro_0001.wmv
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I talked with my cousin who works for Wheel to Wheel. I asked him about the 02 zo6 cam and he told me that most of the LS1's they build for people have cnc z06 heads and cam. I guess they are getting 500 plus out of the set up. With a pretty much stock bottom end. So thats the cam I going with. Anybody got a good 02-04 zo6 cam they want to get rid of? Pm me and let me know. Thanks
Originally Posted by blkZ28spt
No offense, but an 11.88 with heads and cam isn't wholly impressive. You would surely go quicker/faster with a more aggressive aftermarket cam.
What people forget is that the LS6 heads and cam are off the shelf GM parts and the car idles like a bone stock LS1. I think 11.88 isnt too shabby and if you seen his car, you would probably suspect low 13s, maybe high 12s. I think he may have already gone faster since then...but I cant say for sure.
There are plenty of cam only cars around here that should be in the 11s easy, but arent....and they have the biggest lumpiest cam you can get. If both cars ran high 11s, I would choose stock idle over a lumpy idle anyday.
My $.02.
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I would choose lumpy idle, as would many others. But that is just personal preference.
There are TONS of aftermarket cams that don't lope hard but make much better power than the LS6 cam. You can even make more power from a different cam and still pass emissions in california.
11.88 is never shabby for a NA 346, but a cam swap could definately improve upon that, without ruining the stock idle.
That is my main point.
There are TONS of aftermarket cams that don't lope hard but make much better power than the LS6 cam. You can even make more power from a different cam and still pass emissions in california.
11.88 is never shabby for a NA 346, but a cam swap could definately improve upon that, without ruining the stock idle.
That is my main point.
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Originally Posted by Z28SSMAN
I guess I'd better take my Z06 cam out then.....
http://home.comcast.net/~grussel396/Camaro_0001.wmv
http://home.comcast.net/~grussel396/Camaro_0001.wmv
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Originally Posted by Red98TransAm
Z28SSMAN--what mods do you have in your car?
'00 SS #2565 Red,M6,Ebony Leather,T-Tops,Chrome 10 Spokes,Dual-Dual,Syntec lube pkg.
Mods: LS6 cam, LS6 non-ported heads, Kooks longtubes, MTI Lid,FRA,Moser/4.11's, MT ET streets. 363 rwhp, raceweight 3740.
Bests:1/8 7.63 mph 92.45
1/4-11.88 mph 118.36 60ft 1.63
Mods: LS6 cam, LS6 non-ported heads, Kooks longtubes, MTI Lid,FRA,Moser/4.11's, MT ET streets. 363 rwhp, raceweight 3740.
Bests:1/8 7.63 mph 92.45
1/4-11.88 mph 118.36 60ft 1.63
Originally Posted by blkZ28spt
No offense, but an 11.88 with heads and cam isn't wholly impressive. You would surely go quicker/faster with a more aggressive aftermarket cam.
I'd agree with you if it were a true "heads and cam car". The heads & cam are factory GM off the shelf parts. Basically a Z06 engine.
Not to pat myself on the back, but how many cars with a raceweight of 3740 with 363 at the wheels go 11.80's with an M6? This is with 17" wheels and DR's & deCarbon shox.
I see you're in the "11 sec club". How far into the 11's is your car? What did it take in comparison to my set up to run your ET's?
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I've run a best of 11.92. (in June, hoping better in fall)
Cam only. (untouched stock heads) Large cam, but that's the way I like it. It's an automatic with a biggish converter, 60' is almost identical to yours. The 12 bolt and hard launch really helps the M6's catch back up to the stalled autos at the track. You can read everything in my sig and the link in my sig.
Cam only. (untouched stock heads) Large cam, but that's the way I like it.
It's an automatic with a biggish converter, 60' is almost identical to yours. The 12 bolt and hard launch really helps the M6's catch back up to the stalled autos at the track. You can read everything in my sig and the link in my sig. Not to get into a pissing contest blkz28spt, but now that I look at your profile, I'd match my package against yours anytime you want.
I Will agree with you that most likely, a better cam would make my car quicker. I guess I didn't like your "tone" when you say my "heads and cam" car isn't impressive.
I have done the drag racing thing for years and I KNOW what is impressive and what is NOT.
Thanks for your comments 99sleeper.
I Will agree with you that most likely, a better cam would make my car quicker. I guess I didn't like your "tone" when you say my "heads and cam" car isn't impressive.
I have done the drag racing thing for years and I KNOW what is impressive and what is NOT.
Thanks for your comments 99sleeper.
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Originally Posted by Z28SSMAN
Not to get into a pissing contest blkz28spt, but now that I look at your profile, I'd match my package against yours anytime you want.
Originally Posted by blkZ28spt
I've run a best of 11.92. (in June, hoping better in fall)
Cam only. (untouched stock heads) Large cam, but that's the way I like it. It's an automatic with a biggish converter, 60' is almost identical to yours. The 12 bolt and hard launch really helps the M6's catch back up to the stalled autos at the track. You can read everything in my sig and the link in my sig.
Cam only. (untouched stock heads) Large cam, but that's the way I like it.
It's an automatic with a biggish converter, 60' is almost identical to yours. The 12 bolt and hard launch really helps the M6's catch back up to the stalled autos at the track. You can read everything in my sig and the link in my sig.Keep in mind...I have 363 rwhp, you have 385. Although automatics typically trap lower than M6, I wanted more than a 112 trap speed. Thats why I went with the 117.5 LSA for the top end pull, I love to pull up beside "big cam" autos like yours from a 60 roll.
I see alot of racers run a quick ET ONCE and then imply that their car is going to run that consistently. I ran 11.80's three times on the same day. It may be somewhat easy to do with an automatic, but is extremely difficult to do with an M6.
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Wider LSA or not, big cams will make more top end power than an LS6 sized cam.
My last four consecutive runs were <11.9's, spanning two different days. Consistency is more difficult with an M6 for sure, but a strong clutch/rear, sticky tires and PRACTICE make it possible. I'm sure you are aware of that practice part.
Let me hit better weather and add some heads and I'll take you from that 60 roll. Besides, the real races are from a dig.
My last four consecutive runs were <11.9's, spanning two different days. Consistency is more difficult with an M6 for sure, but a strong clutch/rear, sticky tires and PRACTICE make it possible. I'm sure you are aware of that practice part.
Let me hit better weather and add some heads and I'll take you from that 60 roll. Besides, the real races are from a dig.
Originally Posted by blkZ28spt
Wider LSA or not, big cams will make more top end power than an LS6 sized cam.
and you're trapping 112? Mine is 204/218 with .551/547 and I've trapped as high as 118 more than once. (I found out why mine was only trapping 114-115.90 on the videos and have corrected the problem). By the way, I have stock tb and maf and stock pulleys. I guess the GM engineers know alot more than people give them credit for.
Originally Posted by blkz28spt
Let me hit better weather and add some heads and I'll take you from that 60 roll. Besides, the real races are from a dig.
By the way, nice car ya got there
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Originally Posted by Z28SSMAN
I just looked at your cam specs. You're running a 237/242 with a .603/.609 lift cam and you're trapping 112? Mine is 204/218 with .551/547 and I've trapped as high as 118 more than once.
and you're trapping 112? Mine is 204/218 with .551/547 and I've trapped as high as 118 more than once.A4 vs M6
Stock heads vs LS6 heads.
Also keep in mine is a 98. Most stock A4 98's run 13.5-13.9 bone stock. I only ran 12.6 @ 106.5with full exhaust, lid, CAI, ET streets, !FSB, 3500 stall converter, etc.
The cam, LS6 intake and ASP underdrive pulley with dyno tune dropped 0.7 from my ET, and added 6.5 mph.
Edit: You know, I could say "you have LS6 heads and my ET is nearly identical to yours, but my heads are stock."
Last edited by blkZ28spt; Jul 24, 2005 at 05:37 PM.
Originally Posted by blkZ28spt
112.8, in June weather.
A4 vs M6
A4 vs M6
Stock heads vs LS6 heads.
Also keep in mine is a 98. Most stock A4 98's run 13.5-13.9 bone stock. I only ran 12.6 @ 106.5with full exhaust, lid, CAI, ET streets, !FSB, 3500 stall converter, etc.
And.... I ran 12.36 @114.36 without headers, with full exhaust with the inferior LS6 cam, stock LS1 heads.
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[Hey if you're happy with 112 trap with that big assed cam, then that's all that should matter, right?
mph and my cam is a poor choice. After all it only added 4.5 mph. 
Originally Posted by Z28SSMAN
How much power do you think the LS6 heads are worth?
Originally Posted by Z28SSMAN
And.... I ran 12.36 @114.36 without headers, with full exhaust with the inferior LS6 cam, stock LS1 heads.
You are missing the point. If you went with an aftermarket cam you could make more power, ET lower, MPH higher and retain your stock drivability.
Let's put it this way. Do you think I could swap my MS3 for an LS6 cam and not lose performance? HELL NO!
Could you switch to a 224 and gain performance? Hell yes!
This whole argument is stupid. Do you know how many stock internal guys could beat us? You can't just look at it the size of the cam, see a smaller cam running equal or better and start bagging on everyone with the larger and not better performing cams. There is SO MUCH MORE to how a car runs than the cam.
Last edited by blkZ28spt; Jul 24, 2005 at 06:35 PM.
Originally Posted by blkZ28spt
Again, 112.8 in a stalled A4 in June. Or maybe you are right and my car has a mph and my cam is a poor choice. After all it only added 4.5 mph.
mph and my cam is a poor choice. After all it only added 4.5 mph.
I think LS6 heads are worth more than 15 hp over stock (98) LS1 heads. Pulley gives up to 10 hp and ported TB, well, 5-8 maybe?
Full exhaust includes headers.
You are missing the point. If you went with an aftermarket cam you could make more power, ET lower, MPH higher and retain your stock drivability.
Let's put it this way. Do you think I could swap my MS3 for an LS6 cam and not lose performance? HELL NO!
Could you switch to a 224 and gain performance? Hell yes!
Let's put it this way. Do you think I could swap my MS3 for an LS6 cam and not lose performance? HELL NO!
Could you switch to a 224 and gain performance? Hell yes!
This whole argument is stupid. Do you know how many stock internal guys could beat us? You can't just look at it the size of the cam, see a smaller cam running equal or better and start bagging on everyone with the larger and not better performing cams. There is SO MUCH MORE to how a car runs than the cam.
I didn't start this YOU did. YOU are the one that said my car isn't impressive for a heads and cam car. I only reminded you (along with others) that my car isn't what you would refer to as a typical "heads & cam car". Although you are entitled to your opinion, I am certainly entitled to mine.
Are we done now? Or do you want the last word?
how does it not mean anything?! blkZ28spt....this is getting old. the points you are trying to make are stupid. if you like a big cam sound with so-so timeslips, that's your choice.
a good setup is a good setup and last time i checked, the facts are the facts...
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a good setup is a good setup and last time i checked, the facts are the facts...
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