Bluehawk27

And how much would a package like that cost from you Ed? Seriously though i agree with you on people getting too caught up on Dyno numbers.

Race Car Driver

Seee my sig which outlines the 346 FM built for me, which made 453/406. The additional 22 hp you're looking for could come from a combination of a tad more compression, cam and heads.

mikemodano9c

a tad more compression...your already at almost 11.5/1...

thats a good combo you have there...nice power especially since that cam isn't the largest cam by any means.

im still not seeing any 460+ 346 A4 cars...

mikemodano9c

it looks locked to me...compare to my graph in the sig...

especially with a 4000rpm stall i would expect a big tq spike @ 3.5krpm, but on your graph it is pretty even and looks to be ~350 tq @ 3.5k rpms which is about right with a locked converter...

my graph spikes to over 400 tq @ 3.5krpms and i only have a little midwest 3200 nitrous stall...



113 seems low on trap speed too...when i was cam only with a 228/230 .571 .573 112lsa i trapped 116 (in pretty good weather though). im sure i wasn't making any more power than you are now, so maybe the crappy weather or elevation is the culprit

mnc2886

The first thing this guy needs to realize is that percentage loss drivetrain is bull ****. You don't loose a certain percentage no matter what. It takes a certain amount of horsepower to turn the drivetrain whether you have 300 hp or 500 hp. On 6 speed cars with a 10 bolt and stock driveshaft seems to rob 30-40 horsepower. Which people figured was 10%. Fine, 10% of that much power. Just because you have a bad *** motor making 500 rwhp doesn't mean you have 600 flywheel. It still takes the 30-40 horsepower to turn the drivetrain. I personally think that since he has only 10K and needs suspension, tranny, and rearend, he wont have enough left to build a bitchin motor. Especially one that makes 475 through a stalled auto and aftermarket rear. He should do full suspension, tranny, rear and bolt on's and be happy running mid 11's if he hooks hard.

MUSTANGEATER

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WHOA WHOA WHOA ED!!!

Stop!!

We all know that new style of racing is the side by side dyno race with a flagger!

blkZ28spt

To say the least, that is a VERY controversial subject. I for one am still a believe of percentage loss. There is a great thread about this that you could probably find through search. Jaberwaki was a big fan of it, even has a post with a link to it to keep it from dying. It was active through at least this past May.

JZ'sTA

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Maybe you should read my post again.

Originally Posted by XTrooper
Sorry, but there's no frigging way you're going to get 475 rwhp out of a stock-displacement A4 car without using either a "HUGE nasty cam" or a power adder (FI or NO2). One or the other is EXACTLY what you're going to need to make anything near what you're hoping for.

I agree.
Be happy to get 430 with a Very top notch set of heads, 11.0 or better compression, a cam that is in the low 230 duration area or bigger, fast 90/90 combo, Tune, and all other boltons.
Converter is also too small



It clearly says "Be Happy" to get get 430 meaning that is a doable goal for a normal size NOT HUGE cam.
To most of us I thing the biggest size cam would be something like the F13 before you get into Big Cams. Maybe the 231/237 TSP cam as well. The thread started said he didn't want a outragious cam.
As far as your comparision goes, that was a waste of typing. My mom even knows how much easier it is to make power in a M6.
I dont understand why you are geting upset. Someone asked for goals and his goals were dyno numbers. We are posting what is needed to achieve his goals. Who cares if he is looking for dyno numbers. Maybe he dosen't race at the track at all and the ported blower Kobra that waxed him last night made 470 and he wants revenge.
Point is he asked for 475 with a streetable cam nothing huge. I have seen 430 in a 346 A4 with 3800 stall and using a 224/228 cam, 10.9:1 CR, TEA stage 2.5 5.3 heads every bolt on, fast 90/90 through a 10 bolt with 3.42 gears. I have also see a very similar cam make 402 RWHP.
When you find a avarage camed A4 making 460+ RWHP on a DYNO please show me.

JZ'sTA

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Prove it and then make the statement.
I myself believe a combo of both.
What you typed is 100% a oponion and if someone new reads this please read more into the subject before you believe this post. AS said above there is a great thread with 100's of theorys and oponion's but very few facts.
Go read it.

JZ'sTA

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Faster yes. Can you stick a A4 in the car and make the same HP with no other changes but the trans and converter. HELL NO. You can duplicate the power the GTO made but it will take additional mods.
Clear proof is simply by looking at what A4 stock F bodys put down on a dyno compaired to stock M6 F bodys.
You lowest dynoed M6's made as much power as your higher dynoed A4's.

GoFast908Z

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Ok, I need to step in and explain what a NEW thread is. Part 2. This discussion over the original requirements is over. After input from all the boards, i've decided to step outside the 346 ls1. I'm going with a built motor from Rapid Motorsports. Their LS2 402 Stroker. It made massive power: 553rwhp, 490rwtq. Granted, in a 6-speed. Also a higher compression ratio than i can run (limited by 91 octane). Also don't need as big a cam as they used, so figure some power loss...guessing here.....70-80rwhp. That would be fine for my ADJUSTED goal of around 430-440 in the NEW thread, hell, might even break it

I'm looking for "around" that much power. I'm not trying to be picky or do any dyno chart racing. I will take it to the track, and i think it won't be just a peak hp car, not with that Dominator engine. Oh and the $10k limit was just for the motor build up. I have a separate budget for the drivetrain. When it comes time to purchase the motor, I'll work out the specs with Rapid Motorsports and see what kind of number it develops. This project is still a ways off. But I'm doing the drivetrain build-up for this project soon, so I needed to know an idea of power to pick appropriate drivetrain components.
I do appreciate everyone's help.

-Jeff

Race Car Driver

You could make 430 rwhp with a 346 and 11:1 c/r and run 91 octane all day.

josh99ta

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1. Click "Advanced Search"
2. Subject: Drivetrain
3. Member: josh99ta
4. Forum: Dyno section

Its a multi-page post with ALOT of good info on it. Might want to take a look at it before you start calling things "bullshit" or completely discrediting them. I've heard your theory, but the bottom line is that nothing is locked in out drivetrain, and where there are moving parts, there is parasitic loss due to them. Give it a read and learn something.

kjmdrumz3

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First of all: DYNO NUMBERS DON'T MEAN ****!!!! I dynoed 363rwhp and spiked at 412rwtq. Cutting a 1.63-60ft I went 11.905@111.78 with the converter locking up. Mods were full exhaust, TR224 cam, M/T drag radials. These are the kinds of times M6's with 425rwhp are seeing, maybe more. My point is to not pay attention to dyno numbers, set an E.T. and mph goal and see what she does. You can't win a race with numbers