Need Advise on Cam and setup
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Need Advise on Cam and setup I need advise on which Cam to go with. I have used Jerami's Cam guide and read through many posts and have a little knowldege on Cams. But...
I have decided that I want to keep the stock stall or at least a small stall no higher than a 2800. If I can keep the stock it will be more affordable I think.
Also, I am going for a mild cam that will get me at least 30 RWHP more (the more the better).
I will be putting new lifters in (undecided but the shop wants to use Comp R but I may suggest Comp 750 or 850 not sure which it is).
I also would like to rev higher to take advantage of a Cam so springs or rockers or whatever should be considered.
I plan on doing ALL work that I might and will need One time. So, anything like oil pump or timing chain or gaskets, or anything else that I might need has to be figured out.
If anyone can offer advise or suggestions on what they know or think will work and what I will require to do it right the first time please let me know.
I have decided that I want to keep the stock stall or at least a small stall no higher than a 2800. If I can keep the stock it will be more affordable I think.
Also, I am going for a mild cam that will get me at least 30 RWHP more (the more the better).
I will be putting new lifters in (undecided but the shop wants to use Comp R but I may suggest Comp 750 or 850 not sure which it is).
I also would like to rev higher to take advantage of a Cam so springs or rockers or whatever should be considered.
I plan on doing ALL work that I might and will need One time. So, anything like oil pump or timing chain or gaskets, or anything else that I might need has to be figured out.
If anyone can offer advise or suggestions on what they know or think will work and what I will require to do it right the first time please let me know.
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OK guys I know this is not how most would go. Most would do a big cam and high stall and different heads but I want something streetable and as a DD.
Any suggestions (even if you would not do it) would help.
Any suggestions (even if you would not do it) would help.
Check out FUTRAL MOTORSPORT'S and look at the F4 cam. I think that cam should work good and if I am wrong just call them and ALLAN or CANDY will help you the right cam for your need's.Good luck
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Originally Posted by 1FASTBIRD
Check out FUTRAL MOTORSPORT'S and look at the F4 cam. I think that cam should work good and if I am wrong just call them and ALLAN or CANDY will help you the right cam for your need's.Good luck
I like how we have (in JRPs sticky) a chart showing stalls and all and I had asked about the F4... still waiting.
Originally Posted by FUN LS1
Sounds like you want a CheaTR cam...
I do not know enough about this cam but if it will work best with a stock stall then I definately want to know more. Also, when the cam is chanegd I need t know what extra costs, like lifter and gaskets and such.
Do you know what kind of HP gains I could see from a CheatR cam???
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There are some die-hard CheaTR cam owners in this forum; I'm sure they'll be glad to extoll the virtures of it. What do you think Patrick G (http://www.guerragroup.com/2000TA.htm), 30-40 rwhp?
Here's a good thread to look at, or just search the forum for "CheaTR Cam":
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/359084-those-considering-cheatr-cam.html
Here's a good thread to look at, or just search the forum for "CheaTR Cam":
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/359084-those-considering-cheatr-cam.html
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Originally Posted by FUN LS1
There are some die-hard CheaTR cam owners in this forum; I'm sure they'll be glad to extoll the virtures of it. What do you think Patrick G (http://www.guerragroup.com/2000TA.htm), 30-40 rwhp?
Here's a good thread to look at, or just search the forum for "CheaTR Cam":
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=359084
Here's a good thread to look at, or just search the forum for "CheaTR Cam":
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=359084
The CheatR looks like a possible. What about Futural?
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I've picked Futral's F13 for my cam swap, and I'm just deciding on springs now. Check out this thread: https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/358331-fms-f13-owners-how-s-drive-down-low.html
Having owned 15 different torque converters in 4 different LS1 vehicles, I can honestly tell you that a mild daily driver type of torque converter will give you more gains in general driving/racing than a cam. You don't need lots of stall. A 3200-3400 stall converter will start pulling away with only 800 rpm on the tach.
Problem with any cam, even the small ones is idle speed. Most cams will need to idle 650-700 rpm in drive. The bigger cams like the FMS F-13s need more like 800-900 rpm idle speed. That's a problem. With a stock torque converter, you'll be having to hold the brakes hard all the time if you raise your idle enough to smooth out an aftermarket cam. Try brake torquing your motor to 800 rpm in drive with the stock converter. That's what it will be like all the time with a bigger cam and a stock converter.
My suggestion: get a Pro Yank 3400 or a Vigilante 2800. Both stall around 3200 rpm (the Yank's rated for nitrous), then your options will be much greater as far as cam choice goes. As far as the CheaTR's concerned, it's a nasty little cam and is most stealthy with an 800 rpm idle. It will have a pretty good lope at lower rpm. Not a great candidate for a stock converter IMO.
Problem with any cam, even the small ones is idle speed. Most cams will need to idle 650-700 rpm in drive. The bigger cams like the FMS F-13s need more like 800-900 rpm idle speed. That's a problem. With a stock torque converter, you'll be having to hold the brakes hard all the time if you raise your idle enough to smooth out an aftermarket cam. Try brake torquing your motor to 800 rpm in drive with the stock converter. That's what it will be like all the time with a bigger cam and a stock converter.
My suggestion: get a Pro Yank 3400 or a Vigilante 2800. Both stall around 3200 rpm (the Yank's rated for nitrous), then your options will be much greater as far as cam choice goes. As far as the CheaTR's concerned, it's a nasty little cam and is most stealthy with an 800 rpm idle. It will have a pretty good lope at lower rpm. Not a great candidate for a stock converter IMO.
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
Having owned 15 different torque converters in 4 different LS1 vehicles, I can honestly tell you that a mild daily driver type of torque converter will give you more gains in general driving/racing than a cam. You don't need lots of stall. A 3200-3400 stall converter will start pulling away with only 800 rpm on the tach.
Problem with any cam, even the small ones is idle speed. Most cams will need to idle 650-700 rpm in drive. The bigger cams like the FMS F-13s need more like 800-900 rpm idle speed. That's a problem. With a stock torque converter, you'll be having to hold the brakes hard all the time if you raise your idle enough to smooth out an aftermarket cam. Try brake torquing your motor to 800 rpm in drive with the stock converter. That's what it will be like all the time with a bigger cam and a stock converter.
My suggestion: get a Pro Yank 3400 or a Vigilante 2800. Both stall around 3200 rpm (the Yank's rated for nitrous), then your options will be much greater as far as cam choice goes. As far as the CheaTR's concerned, it's a nasty little cam and is most stealthy with an 800 rpm idle. It will have a pretty good lope at lower rpm. Not a great candidate for a stock converter IMO.
Problem with any cam, even the small ones is idle speed. Most cams will need to idle 650-700 rpm in drive. The bigger cams like the FMS F-13s need more like 800-900 rpm idle speed. That's a problem. With a stock torque converter, you'll be having to hold the brakes hard all the time if you raise your idle enough to smooth out an aftermarket cam. Try brake torquing your motor to 800 rpm in drive with the stock converter. That's what it will be like all the time with a bigger cam and a stock converter.
My suggestion: get a Pro Yank 3400 or a Vigilante 2800. Both stall around 3200 rpm (the Yank's rated for nitrous), then your options will be much greater as far as cam choice goes. As far as the CheaTR's concerned, it's a nasty little cam and is most stealthy with an 800 rpm idle. It will have a pretty good lope at lower rpm. Not a great candidate for a stock converter IMO.
Thanks for jumping in on this one
Since I have no plans for nitrous and if anything a turbo I think the TC could be a better choice until I get the money saved. The TC also seems a bigger issue with the cam as well. Besides, if I do a turbo then I can pick the cam then and get one designed for a turbo.
The Cam is gonna wait until I try a TC and finish with my springs and shocks.
I will check out the Vigilante.
Thanks all.
