tr224 vs f13 which is better
ive had the f14 and fm11. im switching to a smaller cam, a 226-230. the fm14 was a bear to drive in a parking lot, lots of bucking, it stalled at lights many times and i had a pro tune it. other than that the cam was great. just be aware that bigger cams you have to stay on top of them
p.s. i have 4.10's also
p.s. i have 4.10's also
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Ok thanks, now I really think the 224 will disappoint me. Maybe TR230, FM13, or torquer v.2. But as you said pdd maybe a bigger cam will suck for DD. I guess if I go with dual springs and Ti retainers there wont be much to worry bout, maybe lifters? Still have to do more research. Thanks for all the imput everyone. 
Originally Posted by okls1
This was on a different thread and this is why I asked. So on the street would a TR224 ususally take it? Since the FM13 would have to play catch up? From this chart I dont understand how an extra 10rwhp above 5600 would help it catch the 224? 
I dont think ones better than the other, it depends on your application.
I think it really comes down to what you want and what you are willing to compromise. There will always be a compromise wheather its suspension, Power mods or rearend. If your car is a DD why would you want a high peaking cam with big lopes that would be harsh on your car? Remember what others have said, stock LS1s will not spin over 6600rpm safely on a regular basis. For a DD most people agree that the area under the curve is where its at. FYI the TR224 112 was the largest anyone would try at one point. I wonder why. There is nothing wrong with that cam. Especially since its kind to your valvetrain as well. ANother thing to thing about. Other cams and springs will require you maintain them alot sooner than a TR224. Just sum thing to think bout.
I think it really comes down to what you want and what you are willing to compromise. There will always be a compromise wheather its suspension, Power mods or rearend. If your car is a DD why would you want a high peaking cam with big lopes that would be harsh on your car? Remember what others have said, stock LS1s will not spin over 6600rpm safely on a regular basis. For a DD most people agree that the area under the curve is where its at. FYI the TR224 112 was the largest anyone would try at one point. I wonder why. There is nothing wrong with that cam. Especially since its kind to your valvetrain as well. ANother thing to thing about. Other cams and springs will require you maintain them alot sooner than a TR224. Just sum thing to think bout.
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Nice graph hallz, what is your setup cam only? 2000z28m6 that is true, although if I had dual springs that would help. What do you run with your 224? You like it? I have started to think the 224 would not be enough. That is my only concern with it. 
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Originally Posted by okls1
Ok thanks, now I really think the 224 will disappoint me. Maybe TR230, FM13, or torquer v.2. But as you said pdd maybe a bigger cam will suck for DD. I guess if I go with dual springs and Ti retainers there wont be much to worry bout, maybe lifters? Still have to do more research. Thanks for all the imput everyone.
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Originally Posted by 2000Z28M6
99blancoSS thats a sweet comparison....
I have a question for those running the F13 in particular, I just bought this cam for my car and my main concern now is the longevity of the bottom end. How well does the stock LS1 bottom end stand up to 6500rpm? Granted the car won't see that high an rpm on a regular basis perse, but the car WILL see the track and thus will see 6500 from time to time, so... anybody out there wanna chime in? Particularly those with alot of hands-on time with the bottom ends.
I dont think you have to be an expert to know that engines that race will eventually loose compression and overall strength, so it really comes down to how lucky will you be before it happens? Cuz its goin to happen anyway. With that said I think your abuse to the engine will determine the answer to your question. But I can defintly say lots of people beat up on these motors and they take a beating. When it happens. One word Rebuild! as a stroker!! 
The TR224 is a nice all around cam. Each cam has its benefits, but again, you have to know what you want the car to do first.
I am also trying to decide on a cam and I am seriously considering the TR224 again because it was anice cam to have on the street...idles nice...didnt give me any problems...and made enough power.
A lot of people want the biggest cam they can get, and thats fine if they can safely spin the engine fast enought to take advantage of it. Then it needs a better tune to run well on the street.
I am also trying to decide on a cam and I am seriously considering the TR224 again because it was anice cam to have on the street...idles nice...didnt give me any problems...and made enough power.
A lot of people want the biggest cam they can get, and thats fine if they can safely spin the engine fast enought to take advantage of it. Then it needs a better tune to run well on the street.
Its really an RPM thing. At any given rpm under say 5800 rpms I'm outpulling most if not all other cams. But if your gonna play above that line its not the best cam for the job. In other words in order to take advantage of that big cam with the big peak you need to actualy be in the rpm range that the power comes on in. The bigger the duration the latter the power. 6500 rpms on stock rod bolts and stock rockers is about the safe limit but you have plenty of people doing things past that. Longevity of the engine? Is that a concern or not is the real question. I can make my stock bottom end last a lot longer if I dont stress it too much. 550rwhp is about the limit.
